Get choked out by a MMA fighter over basketball brehs

LeMAO

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I didn't say anything about race. That's all you my guy. I'm not mad, and I will never fight a world class BJJ practitioner. LMAO you BJJ guys are so arrogant and that's why you'd lose to me in a real fight. I'm way more athletic than I look because I play real sports. You can know whatever Tekken moves you want to know but I'm a real athlete. So the average MMA fan is getting their teeth kicked by me because I been fighting my whole life and I'm a real athlete.

LOL what's funny to me is you guys want to end up on the floor in street fight. LMAO drop to the floor when you're fighting me and see what happens. I'm going to stomp and kick you while the homies do the same thing. life isn't a sanctioned boxing event you fukking idiot if you hit the floor you're getting stomped the fukk out. Stand up like a man and throw hands you p*ssy.

LMAO most fights do not end up on the ground. Growing up we were taught not to wrestle. We squared up and threw hands and if someone hit the floor we let them get up.

I don't know how many unsanctioned real fights any of ya'll have been in. Life isn't a sanctioned mma fight.

The fukk you going to do when I jump you? Ain't no BJJ move to stop me and my folks from jumping you. We're armed too so I BJJ teaches you how to counter a bullets, knives, and bats.

LMAO @ ya'll thinking someone will allow their friend to get choked out.
did i said that you will fight World Class BJJ ? just showing that even a World Class BJJ can be caught with a BJJ move.
u acting tough here that you can beat anyone BJJ or any Martial Arts below World Class :russ:
me just stating a white belt BJJ that learns a leg lock can take your knee ur not invincible
but i think you rely more on your crew to help you out on 1 on 1 just like what we saw in the video
2 black dude trying to stop the choke and the triangle advantage when he punching the black dude
then let go when they tought the black dude have an advanatge again until that leg hook :russ:
 

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Kansas has some weird gun laws here's a link to a long ass article about it from 2010. I think they have since made changes to the law.
If You Brandish a Gun in Self-Defense in Kansas, You'd Best Shoot It - The Volokh Conspiracy
If You Brandish a Gun in Self-Defense in Kansas, You’d Best Shoot It
By Eugene Volokh on February 12, 2010 5:41 pm

From State v. Flint, 2010 WL 445934 (Kan. App. Jan. 29):

[A]fter leaving a bar in Emporia where [Brandon] Flint’s fiancee and another man exchanged angry words, Flint walked to his car. Outside, Flint’s fiancee and two men continued to talk in a heated fashion. Flint’s fiancee fell to the ground during the scuffle. At this point, Flint got his gun, walked back across the street, and pointed the gun at the chest of one of the men; both men immediately backed away. Flint’s fiancee got up, she and Flint walked back to Flint’s car, and they drove away.

The State charged Flint with aggravated assault, and the jury convicted him. Flint requested an instruction for defense of another under K.S.A. 21-3211(a), but the district court denied his request, ruling Flint’s use of force was greater than reasonably necessary to resist the attack….

Now at this point one might think there’d be a discussion of whether there was sufficient evidence that Flint reasonably thought that the fiancee was in danger of death, serious bodily injury, or the like, or merely was involved in a not very serious scuffle. Or one might think there’d be a discussion of whether at the point Flint pointed the gun, the fiancee was in continuing danger, or whether the men had already started to walk away. The discussion in the opinion suggests to me that there’d probably be enough of a factual question on the subject that the matter should be left to the jury, with a suitable defense-of-others instruction (unless no reasonable jury could find, beyond a reasonable doubt, that defense of others was justified, in which case Flint should have gotten a directed judgment of acquittal). But if the court had said that the facts revealed no reasonably perceptible threat of serious harm to the fiancee, I’d have been inclined to defer to the court’s knowledge of the record.

But that’s not what this case is about. Let’s keep reading:

A majority of the Supreme Court held in [State v. Hendrix, 289 Kan. 859 (2009),] that K.S.A. 21-3211 created a defense of self or defense of another only when there is “use of force.” The majority decided actual physical contact rather than a mere threat or display of force is necessary to raise this defense. Since Flint merely threatened the use of his gun and there was no actual force applied, he was not entitled to the defense of another.

Wow. Had Flint actually shot the gun, he would presumably have been entitled to have the jury consider his defense-of-others defense. (Such a defense would generally be roughly similar to a self-defense defense, and use of deadly force is generally allowed in self-defense against sufficiently serious threats.) But because Flint merely brandished the gun, he’s a felon — even if he reasonably believed that brandishing the gun was necessary to save his fiancee’s life. That is simply absurd.

Here, by the way, is Judge Greene’s concurrence:

I agree that the outcome here is controlled by State v. Hendrix, 289 Kan. 859, 218 P.3d 40 (2009), but I write separately to note that the factual scenario in this case is very much like the hypothetical scenario depicted by Chief Justice Davis’ dissent in Hendrix. The fact that Flint has been deprived of self-defense here demonstrates the wisdom of the Chief Justice Davis’ dissent and the urgent need for a legislative fix of K.S.A. 21-3211.

And here’s what I wrote about Hendrix the day it was decided:

Defending Yourself Against Attack by Threatening Force Is a Crime in Kansas

That’s what the Kansas Supreme Court just held, interpreting Kansas Stats. § 21–3211. The statute reads,

(a) A person is justified in the use of force against another when and to the extent it appears to such person and such person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to defend such person or a third person against such other’s imminent use of unlawful force.

(b) A person is justified in the use of deadly force under circumstances described in subsection (a) if such person reasonably believes deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to such person or a third person.

(c) Nothing in this section shall require a person to retreat if such person is using force to protect such person or a third person.

And the court concluded that while this allows self-defense that involves an actual attack on the attacker — for instance, hitting, shooting, or stabbing the attacker — it does not allow self-defense that merely involves a threat of violence against the attacker.

I think the dissent is right to say that “force” can reasonably be read as including “constructive force” such as threats, especially in light of the substantial American legal tradition of reading force this broadly (and despite the fact that other Kansas statutes generally do say “force or threat” or some such). And this is especially so because, as the dissent points out, the result is absurd: Restraint in the use of defensive violence is rewarded by criminal punishment. I believe courts should generally read statutes as written, but the should also read their terms against the backdrop of the legal rules that help define these terms, and principles such as the rule of lenity, and the presumption against readings that produce absurd results.

Moreover, note the implications of this ruling for neighboring sections: § 21–3215, for instance, provides that “A law enforcement officer, or any person whom such officer has summoned or directed to assist in making a lawful arrest, need not retreat or desist from efforts to make a lawful arrest because of resistance or threatened resistance to the arrest. Such officer is justified in the use of any force which such officer reasonably believes to be necessary to effect the arrest and of any force which such officer reasonably believes to be necessary to defend the officer’s self or another from bodily harm while making the arrest.” Presumably then police officers remain criminally liable if they say “Stop, or I’ll shoot!,” though not when they actually actually shoot. Does that make sense?

But in any event, whether or not the Kansas Supreme Court rightly interpreted the statute, the Kansas Legislature should repair this problem as soon as possible. Likewise, pro-self-defense groups in Kansas should make sure that this is on the Legislature’s docket.
 

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the BJJ white dude really triggered the feelings of people here :russ:
if that's a black man doing that to a white or any color, they will celebrate as if they just found the holy grail
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Breh climbed the wrong tree lol.

:dead: @ the dude saying you can give the whiteboy the win on points. Dude could have ended the fight 'bout 4 different ways.

Too old for this fighting shyt
That was me who said that, and you're right he probably could've, point is he didn't. Had the initial attempt at the choke out succeeded, this would be a whole different conversation. Same way the conversation would've been different if the Black dude stomped on the white dude's head when he was standing while the white boy's head on the court and wasn't any a good position....I'm not trained in mma or bjj, but I know I don't want my head on the ground with someone standing over me...:hubie:
 

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I'm disgusted in y'all in here acting like fighting = fists only.

Just b/c dude is black.

MMA/karate/grappling has been around for 1,000's of years. In all continents.

Bottom line: It's still man to man, 1 on 1, no weapons.


Or you might be fighting a bytch nikka with a friend who trips you. Now youre on your back and he's kicking at you. If you know how to fight from the ground, you can change that whole fight in hot second. Grab his foot and end it.
Otherwise, enjoy getting your face kicked in b/c you wanna be a "real man" who only fist fights. :stopitslime:
True. I'm still not wrestling anyone. I will kick, punch, and be hella fast. You're right though, whatever advantage someone has is what they should use to get home safely.

did i said that you will fight World Class BJJ ? just showing that even a World Class BJJ can be caught with a BJJ move.
u acting tough here that you can beat anyone BJJ or any Martial Arts below World Class :russ:
me just stating a white belt BJJ that learns a leg lock can take your knee ur not invincible
but i think you rely more on your crew to help you out on 1 on 1 just like what we saw in the video
2 black dude trying to stop the choke and the triangle advantage when he punching the black dude
then let go when they tought the black dude have an advanatge again until that leg hook :russ:
Leave race out of this. You keep bringing up race. This isn't a race war my guy. I took boxing, TKD, karate, and I played high level soccer for over 15 years. Ain't no lazy weekend BJJ warrior beating me in a street fight. These YMCA BJJ classes got ya'll gassed up. I'm not punching anybody. I'm trying to kick people in the organs and the head. If someone lowers their head it makes kicking them in it a lot easier.

I respect all martial artists and athletes who practice their craft at a high level regardless of their race. My point is that chubby BJJ dude would get worked by me because he's too slow and too old. I see it in sports a lot. The old timers have great technique but I always take them to my world which is high fitness and speed. Speed kills and I'd fukk that old man up fast. Overwhelming speed and strength are real. I have overwhelming speed. Old dude is getting washed.
 
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Exactly. Moving in circles helps defend against someone grabbing you. If someone tries to grab my legs I'm circling out and kicking them in their fukking head as hard as I can. fukk all that MMA shyt. I'm not letting anyone snap any of my limbs.



That dude knows absolutely no bjj. telegraphing a takedown is an excellent way to get knocked the fukk out. Looks like just a drunk frat boy who watches too much ufc.
 

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Submissions in bjj are just a secondary tool if u learn it in a old school academy. Where I used to train, the owner would make us do burpees if he heard we pulled guard at a tournament instead of going for the takedown and getting on top. Submissions are a last resort if u end up on your back and need to finish it quick, so u break dudes arm and get up right away. As he used to say, if u got half a brain don't be pulling guard on Fordham and Jerome. The real beauty of it is taking somebody down, placing that knee on their belly, and beating their head in with your fists like a drum while they struggle to stand up.

If ya do end up in a fight with a bjj practitioner, hope that it's a point fighter with no top game to speak of, because if u end up with a real old school Brazil street style bjj guy, u don't have to worry about having a limb broken, u gotta worry about losing teeth and broken facial bones.
 

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Im a boxer... and i tell people all the time... Learn mixed martial arts, bjj or whatever that shyt is... cause that's actually closer to fighting... Boxing is a tough sport... but it only helps a little bit in an actual fight

I actually think if the black guy knew how to box it would have been lights out for the white guy.
Considering he tried to sucker punch him and missed.
 

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lol... i mean that didnt help the black dude...
But prettu much all street fights go to the ground. Theres but so long that a person punching is going to avoid being grabbed and is in a clinch. No matter how good ur footwork is... ur eventually gonna get clinched. now ur boxing skills hold no advantage
 
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