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that's ridiculous
German Federal Elections (Merkel remains Chancellor, AfD enters Bundestag, SPD heads the Opposition)
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that's ridiculous
I meant to follow this more closely this weekend but ended up going to ATL for fun...
My quick take is the "small" parties are doing good across the board, headlined by 13.5% AFD, but the other small parties too. Small parties got about 47% of the vote. Merkel/Schulz is basically Jeb/Hillary and even with the success of the country people are restless and eventually yearn for something new no matter what.
One thing to note, if you add up AFD/Merkel vs. SPD/Greens/The Left you have 46-39 which is a decent win for the "right" but the headlines will likely overplay "the right's" win. The Libertarians with 11% and the very small parties make up the other 15%.
AFD will not be in govt.
Edit - you may of meant in parliament, I meant in the governing coalition.
My quick take is the "small" parties are doing good across the board, headlined by 13.5% AFD, but the other small parties too. Small parties got about 47% of the vote. Merkel/Schulz is basically Jeb/Hillary and even with the success of the country people are restless and eventually yearn for something new no matter what.
One thing to note, if you add up AFD/Merkel vs. SPD/Greens/The Left you have 46-39 which is a decent win for the "right" but the headlines will likely overplay "the right's" win. The Libertarians with 11% and the very small parties make up the other 15%.
13.5 percent for AfD
this is awful. they did about as well as they possibly could have and theyre gonna be in the german government now.
AFD will not be in govt.
Edit - you may of meant in parliament, I meant in the governing coalition.
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DynamoEAR
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If you look at the Tory manifesto for the 2017 election that shyt looked like a typical DLC Democrat platform.
I literally started having Barack's voice reading the policies because they're so similar.On immigration, yeah since Clinton wanted to continue Obama's policy of kicking out Central American refugees and May was responsible for Cameron's immigration policies as Home Secretary.
also on environmental/ecological policies. merkel shut down all the nuclear plants in germany.If you look at the Tory manifesto for the 2017 election that shyt looked like a typical DLC Democrat platform.
On immigration, yeah since Clinton wanted to continue Obama's policy of kicking out Central American refugees and May was responsible for Cameron's immigration policies as Home Secretary.
economically and religiously shes pretty far to the right by german standards. shed definitely be republican in the states in religious terms, but i think shes be a more centrist democrat in economic terms here.
yeah i meant in the bundestag, not in the governing coalition. i just meant because they crossed the 5%
DynamoEAR
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That's crazy because Obama was all over the place on nuclear power and wasn't exactly completely anti-nuclear power himself as senator.
I mean ffs Obama early on was proposing deep cuts in social security and stacked his first cabinet with austerity experts. And Obama on religion and gays had to be pushed to support it, and kept Bush's faith based initiatives and appointed numerous homophobes to it.
It's ridiculous how right wing this place is.
mbewane
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theres people in this thread really upset with comparisons of clinton to merkel and may. all it really shows to me is how far to the right america is politically that obama and clinton can be considered "leftists" here and would be center-right in the uk or germany.
If you look at the Tory manifesto for the 2017 election that shyt looked like a typical DLC Democrat platform.
On immigration, yeah since Clinton wanted to continue Obama's policy of kicking out Central American refugees and May was responsible for Cameron's immigration policies as Home Secretary.
Jim Messina, Obama's 2012 Campaign Manager, was working with Theresa May and the Conservatives for the last election.
Obama, Clinton... they'd be CENTER to Center-Right politicians in Britain. Either Blairite Labour Party or in the Conservative Party.
What does that have to do with anything?
Stop trolling.
its almost like...theres different political environments?
Merkel didn't shut down nuclear plants because of her own convictions. Before she came to power, Germany was governed by a social democrat green coalition. They created the "Erneuerbare Energien Gesetz" (renewable energy law), as part of which Germany was to shut down its nuclear plants over the next couple of decades. Ever since the 1980's, nuclear energy was part of a culture war between the ecologic movement, which was born out of the leftist counter culture of the 1970's, and the conservatives. When Merkel came to power, she first governed with the social democrats and both parties were almost equally strong. That meant, that her politics were very much centrist, disappointing the conservative wing of her party and part of her electorate, who hoped to overturn most of the legacy of previous red and green coalition. So at the next elections, many disaffected conservative voters turned to the liberal party, which is often ridiculed as the party of dentists and lawyers, and has a history of being in the pocket of business. That led to a record first time double digit 14% share of the votes for the liberal party and a conservative liberal government. In a mixture of big business interests and conservative culture war, this Merkel government overturned the renewable energy law and canceled the transition out of nuclear energy. Merkel herself said that as a trained physicist she knew that the technology was 100% safe and claimed that nuclear energy was needed in order to prevent climate change. Ever since Tschernobyl, Germans were afraid of a nuclear catastrophy, so that decision was very controversial. And then, shortly after the decision was made, Fukushima happened, sending Germans into a frenzy. Realizing how unpopular her decision was, Merkel overturned her own law overturning the renewable energy law and decided that Germany would transition out of nuclear energy even quicker than the red and green coalition had previously envisioned. As a result, the big energy companies sued the German government for compensation, and Merkel had turned what the Green party had originally designed as an orderly transition into an expensive clusterfukk.
oh and since her government had cut all subsidies to renewable energy companies on Shorts notice, most of them went bancrupt and Germany lost its role as a technology leader to China
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DrBanneker
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13.5 percent for AfD
this is awful. they did about as well as they possibly could have and theyre gonna be in the german government now.
State result breakdowns should be interesting. What is probably even more worrisome is if AfD did 13.5% nationwide, they are probably polling 20%+ in some former East German states.
They do. The AfD is the strongest party in saxony for example.
So Merkel won re-election?
