thing is, i don't have kids, i bet kev3 don't have kids either. infact, i bet most of the dudes on here DONT have kids. we are practicing what we preach already. now how many women on here in the same age bracket as us but already got 1-2 kids?
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I hate to blame women, but when you look deep into the problems it's all about her decision making. If they can't find a suitable male, they just pick one and have the alone and raise the child alone.
There are more bummy dudes with multiple kids, then working men with any kids.
Money is power. In the hood, welfare is enough money to live decently in a low income area. These women know if they were to live with a money earning man, they couldn't get welfare and would have to fall in line with that man's program. But women want that power and want men to follow their program.
They never to revamp welfare.
There are more bummy dudes with multiple kids, then working men with any kids.
Money is power. In the hood, welfare is enough money to live decently in a low income area. These women know if they were to live with a money earning man, they couldn't get welfare and would have to fall in line with that man's program. But women want that power and want men to follow their program.
They never to revamp welfare.
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Oh look it's THIS thread again. 
Anyway I'll say this: Ultimately it comes down to the woman because she's the one that's going to be carrying the baby for the next 9 months and theoretically she can't just ditch the kid like how a man can. Like somebody else said she's the gatekeeper and she has the final say as to who she decides to let through those gates. If she decides to let Tyrone through and she ends up getting pregnant and he leaves then that's on her.
Anyway I'll say this: Ultimately it comes down to the woman because she's the one that's going to be carrying the baby for the next 9 months and theoretically she can't just ditch the kid like how a man can. Like somebody else said she's the gatekeeper and she has the final say as to who she decides to let through those gates. If she decides to let Tyrone through and she ends up getting pregnant and he leaves then that's on her.
When it's said and done, it's BOTH parties faults. We have some of these women who are willingly having sex with low life dudes or cheating on their solid dude for some ex-con and we also have guys that are running away from their children and yet who want to sleep with everything moving, but don't want to handle the repercussions of their actions.
Now realistically, the woman will typically face greater repercussions for her actions since she is the one stuck with the kid... but both parties are at fault. If a woman knowingly deals with some loser type dude who has 3 or 4 kids all by different baby mothers, she is the one at fault for rewarding a loser. In other scenarios, some women don't really know because some dudes are unbelievably skilled at lying, so I can't fault her for that in that case. On the man's side of the equation, some of these men need to stop expecting women to lead them and give them a belly rub to do the right thing. If you have a kid, you do what it takes to provide for your kid and take care of your kid... even if you don't like the mother. You might not be able to contribute a lot, but contribute what you can. Taking off and disappearing in the wind on YOUR kid is a weak mentality. Both men and women need to realize that if you are out here doing your thing, you better be ready for the responsibilities If a kid comes out of the equation, step up and handle your business.
Now realistically, the woman will typically face greater repercussions for her actions since she is the one stuck with the kid... but both parties are at fault. If a woman knowingly deals with some loser type dude who has 3 or 4 kids all by different baby mothers, she is the one at fault for rewarding a loser. In other scenarios, some women don't really know because some dudes are unbelievably skilled at lying, so I can't fault her for that in that case. On the man's side of the equation, some of these men need to stop expecting women to lead them and give them a belly rub to do the right thing. If you have a kid, you do what it takes to provide for your kid and take care of your kid... even if you don't like the mother. You might not be able to contribute a lot, but contribute what you can. Taking off and disappearing in the wind on YOUR kid is a weak mentality. Both men and women need to realize that if you are out here doing your thing, you better be ready for the responsibilities If a kid comes out of the equation, step up and handle your business.
The lack of responsibility of some men in taking care of the seed they helped to create is leading to the crisis of leadership in the black community. Too many fatherless sons and daughters running around without guidance. Women aren't blameless either but as a man, I would love to see we get our house in order first before we start casting blame at other people.
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I bet you'll still have hoes saying it's a 50-50 deal after reading this post
Yes you will because...it is. No matter how blameless you want men to be, or less to blame, or whatever, we live in a society that holds people accountable for their actions, as it should. No one cares that you don't have to carry the baby, sorry. No one cares who you consider to have "more burden", sorry. Once its here, if you don't take care of it it becomes a burden on society and no one wants/will allow that.
If you want to support living in the jungle just so Black men can remain as irresponsible sexually as they'd like and you'd still get to complain about the status of the community and women's choices all while supporting the breakdown, do that. But if Black men are to live in an organized society, these are the rules of life that everybody lives by. Your reluctance to assign this responsibility to men is exactly why the community is flailing.
Not to mention, how about flipping this on its head so you can see how silly your reasoning is? Consider the issue of paternity. In the idealistic world, a woman would tell a man exactly who the father of the child is so that he is taking care of a child that is indeed is. However many women don't and have men believing that a child that isn't his, is. That is what happens in the real world. But how many of you would be in a thread arguing with men that they should make sure to have established a commitment and absolutely trust a woman before he has sex with her, otherwise she could lie about the paternity of the child and he'd never know? How many of you would be going in on him instead of her?
I mean after all, paternity is a man's cross to bear. A woman will never have to question who her child is. With all that risk, why don't men ensure they have established a bond and made a commitment with that woman and that woman alone so can be more sure he is taking care of his seed and not someone else's?
thing is, i don't have kids, i bet kev3 don't have kids either. infact, i bet most of the dudes on here DONT have kids. we are practicing what we preach already. now how many women on here in the same age bracket as us but already got 1-2 kids?
I don't know your age bracket but there are plenty of childless, professional Black women in my age bracket. In fact, for all the crap that all of Black women get about having kids, the only women I know who have multiple kids out of wedlock are lower income. However I know Black men from all walks of life who have at least one child and are happily running the streets sleeping with anything that moves because of this very lack of accountability you all encourage. And I'm not talking the thugs y'all like to pretend are the only ones leaving their kids, but Black men with degrees and 'certs' who are well to do or have the potential to be.
And that shouldn't be a surprise because many of you will claim to be above this behavior but have the EXACT SAME mentality as the Black males who practice it.
first off, quick question, do you have any kids?
second, enough with this false belief that black men of all walks of life are abandoning their children. most men with shyt to lose aint out here fukking a bunch of hoes, so they can end up in debt to some silly bytch. the majority of these b*stard kids comes from a certain type of black male.
and the only ones not being accountable are the women, the gov rewards your unaccountability. they aint paying nikkas to abandon their children; they sending them nikkas to jail. y'all are the ones who can fukk whoever, get on the county, then bytch about how black men did this and that to you.
like i said, the black womans airport womb gets bombed by terrorist daily, because y'all not even interested in screening for terrorism. y'all just wanna get hit so you can enjoy all the perks of this sistahood (victimhood)
PartyHeart
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No I don't have any kids.
To your second point, that is false. The idea that 80% of Black women are having children with 30% of Black men or whatever y'all make up is patently false. A study recently came out saying that of the Black women who have multiple children, a large percentage of them have them with multiple men. But that points to the fact that certain women have multiple baby fathers, not the other way around. You guys can only point to anecdotal evidence ("I know one guy with 100 kids", or talking about that embarrassing show about the rapper with all those baby mothers) but statistics support the opposite case.
To your third point, the government is not rewarding anything, those women are actually there to take care of the kids. It'd be one thing if you were saying that those women are getting money for abandoning their kids in ditches, but they are not. They are the sole care providers for those children because of the unaccountable actions of the men that you support. Those women incur costs that the absentee father does not because he has shirked his responsibility, so obviously she will get money to support that and he won't. But nowhere will you find the government giving money to women who ditch their children.
I don't even know what that last point is supposed to mean but whatever. All I know is that other communities that don't have a collection of men that support and normalize this behavior don't have issues with oow births like the Black community does. Encourage Black men not to have any self discipline and get mad at women for not forcing them to, brehs.
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And all this talk about everything being on Black women to do everything, I sincerely hope y'all aren't the same men who beat your chests about having to be the 'head of the household' and demanding submission. Y'all better be the staunchest supporters of equal partnership in marriage/relationships or else
What kind of head of the household/leader needs his so-called follower to force him into being a man and being a responsible adult? Who is going to follow a 'man' that basks in his irresponsibility? Why would anyone trust anyone like that period, let alone trust them to make the sole decisions for you and your household?
What kind of head of the household/leader needs his so-called follower to force him into being a man and being a responsible adult? Who is going to follow a 'man' that basks in his irresponsibility? Why would anyone trust anyone like that period, let alone trust them to make the sole decisions for you and your household?
I didn't know the figure was at 72%!! WTF? Almost 3 out of every 4 black babies are born out of wedlock? Illegitimate? That's sad.
its a symptom, not the issue or the problem