Geopolitical "Ouch!": Putin says 755 U.S. Diplomats Must Leave Russia

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Does it look like Putin is colluding with Don Cheeto if he is ordering diplomats out?...:snoop:

This Trump/Russia collusion thing is looking pretty weak.

Ya'all don't realize that this is Putin punishing CONGRESS? It's Congress that passed the new Russia sanctions, not Trump. You thought Putin was going to ignore Congress doing whatever they want to Russia just because Trump is his bff?

Trump does not care about the State Department anyway. He's been trying to run it in the ground since he got into office. Why do you think he cares how many diplomats in Moscow if he honestly believes that everything between him and Russia should be dealt with by his own staff anyway?




Removing diplomacy, removes opportunities to keep contentions at bay.............you dumb fuuck you.

Yes, keep reminding us why Trump's promises (and actions) to cut diplomacy in favor of weapons and military power are pure stupid. :francis:






Don Cheeto has to either sign (which would be dumb as fuuck too) or flat out veto the bill that idiot ass Congress just sent to him, to sanction Russia based on a lie about him :snoop:.....so there is that possibility. :francis:

I love how you have 430 members of Congress as idiots but not the man who is literally less informed and worse at diplomacy than EVERY one of them.

And what is this "lie" that Russia is being sanctioned for? You seriously not believe that Russia interfered with the election at this point? :francis:




:what:Y'all forgot last week when Don Jr. tweeted proof of collusion like a moron?

We have emails directly to the Trump family about "Russia's efforts to help Trump in the election", we have Trump's biggest advisers jumping all over the chance to get opposition research from the Russian government, we have Trump making anti-Hilary announcements and wikileaks leaking anti-Clinton material in perfect coordination with the Russia meetings in the Trump tower, we have the Russian Ambassador straight telling his superiors that he discussed the campaign with Sessions after Sessions first claimed the meeting didn't happen and then claimed that they never discussed the campaign....and they STILL don't believe that Russia interfered and Trump encouraged it.

:mindblown:
 
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Remember, THIS is how this last round of sanctions first started, and what Putin has been trying to win for his efforts:

Bill Browder's Testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee



"That all changed in July 2003, when Putin arrested Russia’s biggest oligarch and richest man, Mikhail Khodorkovsky. Putin grabbed Khodorkovsky off his private jet, took him back to Moscow, put him on trial, and allowed television cameras to film Khodorkovsky sitting in a cage right in the middle of the courtroom. That image was extremely powerful, because none of the other oligarchs wanted to be in the same position. After Khodorkovsky’s conviction, the other oligarchs went to Putin and asked him what they needed to do to avoid sitting in the same cage as Khodorkovsky. From what followed, it appeared that Putin’s answer was, “Fifty percent.” He wasn’t saying 50 percent for the Russian government or the presidential administration of Russia, but 50 percent for Vladimir Putin personally. From that moment on, Putin became the biggest oligarch in Russia and the richest man in the world, and my anti-corruption activities would no longer be tolerated.

The results of this change came very quickly. On November 13, 2005, as I was flying into Moscow from a weekend away, I was stopped at Sheremetyevo airport, detained for 15 hours, deported, and declared a threat to national security.

Eighteen months after my expulsion a pair of simultaneous raids took place in Moscow. Over 25 Interior Ministry officials barged into my Moscow office and the office of the American law firm that represented me. The officials seized all the corporate documents connected to the investment holding companies of the funds that I advised. I didn’t know the purpose of these raids so I hired the smartest Russian lawyer I knew, a 35-year-old named Sergei Magnitsky. I asked Sergei to investigate the purpose of the raids and try to stop whatever illegal plans these officials had.

Sergei went out and investigated. He came back with the most astounding conclusion of corporate identity theft: The documents seized by the Interior Ministry were used to fraudulently re-register our Russian investment holding companies to a man named Viktor Markelov, a known criminal convicted of manslaughter. After more digging, Sergei discovered that the stolen companies were used by the perpetrators to misappropriate $230 million of taxes that our companies had paid to the Russian government in the previous year.

I had always thought Putin was a nationalist. It seemed inconceivable that he would approve of his officials stealing $230 million from the Russian state. Sergei and I were sure that this was a rogue operation and if we just brought it to the attention of the Russian authorities, the “good guys” would get the “bad guys” and that would be the end of the story.

We filed criminal complaints with every law enforcement agency in Russia, and Sergei gave sworn testimony to the Russian State Investigative Committee (Russia’s FBI) about the involvement of officials in this crime.

However, instead of arresting the people who committed the crime, Sergei was arrested. Who took him? The same officials he had testified against. On November 24, 2008, they came to his home, handcuffed him in front of his family, and threw him into pre-trial detention.

Sergei’s captors immediately started putting pressure on him to withdraw his testimony. They put him in cells with 14 inmates and eight beds, leaving the lights on 24 hours a day to impose sleep deprivation. They put him in cells with no heat and no windowpanes, and he nearly froze to death. They put him in cells with no toilet, just a hole in the floor and sewage bubbling up. They moved him from cell to cell in the middle of the night without any warning. During his 358 days in detention he was forcibly moved multiple times.

They did all of this because they wanted him to withdraw his testimony against the corrupt Interior Ministry officials, and to sign a false statement that he was the one who stole the $230 million—and that he had done so on my instruction.

Sergei refused. In spite of the grave pain they inflicted upon him, he would not perjure himself or bear false witness.

After six months of this mistreatment, Sergei’s health seriously deteriorated. He developed severe abdominal pains, he lost 40 pounds, and he was diagnosed with pancreatitis and gallstones and prescribed an operation for August 2009. However, the operation never occurred. A week before he was due to have surgery, he was moved to a maximum security prison called Butyrka, which is considered to be one of the harshest prisons in Russia. Most significantly for Sergei, there were no medical facilities there to treat his medical conditions.

At Butyrka, his health completely broke down. He was in agonizing pain. He and his lawyers wrote 20 desperate requests for medical attention, filing them with every branch of the Russian criminal justice system. All of those requests were either ignored or explicitly denied in writing.

After more than three months of untreated pancreatitis and gallstones, Sergei Magnitsky went into critical condition. The Butyrka authorities did not want to have responsibility for him, so they put him in an ambulance and sent him to another prison that had medical facilities. But when he arrived there, instead of putting him in the emergency room, they put him in an isolation cell, chained him to a bed, and eight riot guards came in and beat him with rubber batons.

That night he was found dead on the cell floor.

Sergei Magnitsky died on November 16, 2009, at the age of 37, leaving a wife and two children.

I received the news of his death early the next morning. It was by far the most shocking, heart-breaking, and life-changing news I’ve ever received.

Sergei Magnitsky was murdered as my proxy. If Sergei had not been my lawyer, he would still be alive today.

That morning I made a vow to Sergei’s memory, to his family, and to myself that I would seek justice and create consequences for the people who murdered him. For the last seven and a half years, I’ve devoted my life to this cause.

Even though this case was characterized by injustice all the way through, the circumstances of Sergei’s torture and death were so extreme that I was sure some people would be prosecuted. Unlike other deaths in Russian prisons, which are largely undocumented, Sergei had written everything down. In his 358 days in detention, Sergei wrote over 400 complaints detailing his abuse. In those complaints he described who did what to him, as well as where, how, when, and why. He was able to pass his hand-written complaints to his lawyers, who dutifully filed them with the Russian authorities. Although his complaints were either ignored or rejected, copies of them were retained. As a result, we have the most well-documented case of human rights abuse coming out of Russia in the last 35 years.

When I began the campaign for justice with this evidence, I thought that the Russian authorities would have no choice but to prosecute at least some of the officials involved in Sergei Magnitsky’s torture and murder. It turns out I could not have been more wrong. Instead of prosecuting, the Russian authorities circled the wagons and exonerated everybody involved. They even went so far as to offer promotions and state honors to those most complicit in Sergei’s persecution.

It became obvious that if I was going to get any justice for Sergei Magnitsky, I was going to have to find it outside of Russia.

But how does one get justice in the West for a murder that took place in Russia? Criminal justice is based on jurisdiction: One cannot prosecute someone in New York for a murder committed in Moscow. As I thought about it, the murder of Sergei Magnitsky was done to cover up the theft of $230 million from the Russian Treasury. I knew that the people who stole that money wouldn’t keep it in Russia. As easily as they stole the money, it could be stolen from them. These people keep their ill-gotten gains in the West, where property rights and rule of law exist. This led to the idea of freezing their assets and banning their visas here in the West. It would not be true justice but it would be much better than the total impunity they enjoyed.

In 2010, I traveled to Washington and told Sergei Magnitsky’s story to Senators Benjamin Cardin and John McCain. They were both shocked and appalled and proposed a new piece of legislation called The Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act. This would freeze assets and ban visas for those who killed Sergei as well as other Russians involved in serious human rights abuse.

Despite the White House’s desire to reset relations with Russia at the time, this case shined a bright light on the criminality and impunity of the Putin regime and persuaded Congress that something needed to be done. In November 2012 the Magnitsky Act passed the House of Representatives by 364 to 43 votes and later the Senate 92 to 4 votes. On December 14, 2012, President Obama signed the Sergei Magnitsky Act into law.

Putin was furious. Looking for ways to retaliate against American interests, he settled on the most sadistic and evil option of all: banning the adoption of Russian orphans by American families.

This was particularly heinous because of the effect it had on the orphans. Russia did not allow the adoption of healthy children, just sick ones. In spite of this, American families came with big hearts and open arms, taking in children with HIV, Down syndrome, Spina Bifida and other serious ailments. They brought them to America, nursed them, cared for them and loved them. Since the Russian orphanage system did not have the resources to look after these children, many of those unlucky enough to remain in Russia would die before their 18th birthday. In practical terms, this meant that Vladimir Putin sentenced his own, most vulnerable and sick Russian orphans to death in order to protect corrupt officials in his regime.

Why did Vladimir Putin take such a drastic and malicious step?

For two reasons. First, since 2012 it’s emerged that Vladimir Putin was a beneficiary of the stolen $230 million that Sergei Magnitsky exposed. Recent revelations from the Panama Papers have shown that Putin’s closest childhood friend, Sergei Roldugin, a famous cellist, received $2 billion of funds from Russian oligarchs and the Russian state. It’s commonly understood that Mr. Roldugin received this money as an agent of Vladimir Putin. Information from the Panama Papers also links some money from the crime that Sergei Magnitsky discovered and exposed to Sergei Roldugin. Based on the language of the Magnitsky Act, this would make Putin personally subject to Magnitsky sanctions.

This is particularly worrying for Putin, because he is one of the richest men in the world. I estimate that he has accumulated $200 billion of ill-gotten gains from these types of operations over his 17 years in power. He keeps his money in the West and all of his money in the West is potentially exposed to asset freezes and confiscation. Therefore, he has a significant and very personal interest in finding a way to get rid of the Magnitsky sanctions.

The second reason why Putin reacted so badly to the passage of the Magnitsky Act is that it destroys the promise of impunity he’s given to all of his corrupt officials.

There are approximately ten thousand officials in Russia working for Putin who are given instructions to kill, torture, kidnap, extort money from people, and seize their property. Before the Magnitsky Act, Putin could guarantee them impunity and this system of illegal wealth accumulation worked smoothly. However, after the passage of the Magnitsky Act, Putin’s guarantee disappeared. The Magnitsky Act created real consequences outside of Russia and this created a real problem for Putin and his system of kleptocracy.

For these reasons, Putin has stated publicly that it was among his top foreign policy priorities to repeal the Magnitsky Act and to prevent it from spreading to other countries. Since its passage in 2012, the Putin regime has gone after everybody who has been advocating for the Magnitsky Act.

One of my main partners in this effort was Boris Nemtsov. Boris testified in front of the U.S. Congress, the European Parliament, the Canadian Parliament, and others to make the point that the Magnitsky Act was a “pro-Russian” piece of legislation because it narrowly targeted corrupt officials and not the Russian people. In 2015, Boris Nemtsov was murdered on the bridge in front of the Kremlin.

Boris Nemtsov’s protégé, Vladimir Kara-Murza, also traveled to law-making bodies around the world to make a similar case. After Alexander Bastrykin, the head of the Russian Investigative Committee, was added to the Magnitsky List in December of 2016, Vladimir was poisoned. He suffered multiple organ failure, went into a coma and barely survived.

The lawyer who represented Sergei Magnitsky’s mother, Nikolai Gorokhov, has spent the last six years fighting for justice. This spring, the night before he was due in court to testify about the state cover up of Sergei Magnitsky’s murder, he was thrown off the fourth floor of his apartment building. Thankfully he survived and has carried on in the fight for justice.
 

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I’ve received many death threats from Russia. The most notable one came from Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, in 2013. When asked by a group of journalists about the death of Sergei Magnitsky, Medvedev replied, “It’s too bad that Sergei Magnitsky is dead and Bill Browder is still alive and free.” I’ve received numerous other death threats from Russian sources through text messages, emails, and voicemails. U.S. government sources have warned me about a planned Russian rendition against me. These threats were in addition to numerous unsuccessful attempts that the Russian government has made to arrest me using Interpol or other formal legal assistance channels.

The Russian government has also used its resources and assets to try to repeal the Magnitsky Act. One of the most shocking attempts took place in the spring and summer of last year when a group of Russians went on a lobbying campaign in Washington to try to repeal the Magnitsky Act by changing the narrative of what had happened to Sergei. According to them, Sergei wasn’t murdered and he wasn’t a whistle-blower, and the Magnitsky Act was based on a false set of facts. They used this story to try to have Sergei’s name taken off of the Global Magnitsky Act that passed in December 2016. They were unsuccessful.

Who was this group of Russians acting on behalf of the Russian state? Two men named Pyotr and Denis Katsyv, a woman named Natalia Veselnitskaya, and a large group of American lobbyists, all of whom are described below.

Pyotr Katsyv, father to Denis Katsyv, is a senior Russian government official and well-placed member of the Putin regime; Denis Katsyv was caught by U.S. law enforcement using proceeds from the crime that Sergei Magnitsky uncovered to purchase high-end Manhattan real estate (the case recently settled with the Katsyv’s paying $6 million to the U.S. government). Natalia Veselnitskaya was their lawyer.

In addition to working on the Katsyv’ s money laundering defense, Ms. Veselnitskaya also headed the aforementioned lobbying campaign to repeal the Magnitsky Act. She hired a number of lobbyists, public relations executives, lawyers, and investigators to assist her in this task.

Her first step was to set up a fake NGO that would ostensibly promote Russian adoptions, although it quickly became clear that the NGO’s sole purpose was to repeal the Magnitsky Act. This NGO was called the Human Rights Accountability Global Initiative Foundation (HRAGI). It was registered as a corporation in Delaware with two employees on February 18, 2016. HRAGI was used to pay Washington lobbyists and other agents for the anti-Magnitsky campaign. (HRAGI now seems to be defunct, with taxes due.)

Through HRAGI, Rinat Akhmetshin, a former Soviet intelligence officer naturalised as an American citizen, was hired to lead the Magnitsky repeal effort. Mr. Akhmetshin has been involved in a number of similar campaigns where he’s been accused of various unethical and potentially illegal actions like computer hacking.

Veselnitskaya also instructed U.S. law firm Baker Hostetler and their Washington, D.C.-based partner Marc Cymrot to lobby members of Congress to support an amendment taking Sergei Magnitsky’s name off the Global Magnitsky Act. Mr. Cymrot was in contact with Paul Behrends, a congressional staffer on the House Foreign Affairs Committee at the time, as part of the anti-Magnitsky lobbying campaign.

Veselnitskaya, through Baker Hostetler, hired Glenn Simpson of the firm Fusion GPS to conduct a smear campaign against me and Sergei Magnitsky in advance of congressional hearings on the Global Magnitsky Act. He contacted a number of major newspapers and other publications to spread false information that Sergei Magnitsky was not murdered, was not a whistle-blower, and was instead a criminal. They also spread false information that my presentations to lawmakers around the world were untrue.

As part of Veselnitskaya’s lobbying, a former Wall Street Journal reporter, Chris Cooper of the Potomac Group, was hired to organize the Washington, D.C.-based premiere of a fake documentary about Sergei Magnitsky and myself. This was one the best examples of Putin’s propaganda.

They hired Howard Schweitzer of Cozzen O’Connor Public Strategies and former Congressman Ronald Dellums to lobby members of Congress on Capitol Hill to repeal the Magnitsky Act and to remove Sergei’s name from the Global Magnitsky bill.

On June 13, 2016, they funded a major event at the Newseum to show their fake documentary, inviting representatives of Congress and the State Department to attend.

While they were conducting these operations in Washington, D.C., at no time did they indicate that they were acting on behalf of Russian government interests, nor did they file disclosures under the Foreign Agent Registration Act.

United States law is very explicit that those acting on behalf of foreign governments and their interests must register under FARA so that there is transparency about their interests and their motives.

Since none of these people registered, my firm wrote to the Department of Justice in July 2016 and presented the facts.

I hope that my story will help you understand the methods of Russian operatives in Washington and how they use U.S. enablers to achieve major foreign policy goals without disclosing those interests. I also hope that this story and others like it may lead to a change in the FARA enforcement regime in the future.
 

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I love how you have 430 members of Congress as idiots but not the man who is literally less informed and worse at diplomacy than EVERY one of them.

And what the hell is this "lie" that Russia is being sanctioned for? You seriously not believe that Russia interfered with the election at this point? :francis:






We have emails directly to the Trump family about "Russia's efforts to help Trump in the election", we have Trump's biggest advisers jumping all over the chance to get opposition research from the Russian government, we have Trump making anti-Hilary announcements and wikileaks leaking anti-Clinton material in perfect coordination with the Russia meetings in the Trump tower, we have the Russian Ambassador straight telling his superiors that he discussed the campaign with Sessions after Sessions first claimed the meeting didn't happen and then claimed that they never discussed the campaign....and they STILL don't believe that Russia interfered and Trump encouraged it.

:mindblown:

None of that shiit had anythung to do with collusion of the election....nor did have anything to do with email....nor did it imoact the elelection.....

If you forget that the Russian female lawyer worked with Fusion GPS....the same company that said Din Cheeto was being peed on by Russian prostitutes .....

Plus, after meeting with Trump Jr to talk only about the Magnitsky Act, that same Russuan female lawyer was puctured hanging out with Democrats...she is basically a Democratic operative... Russian Lawyer Who Met with Donald Trump Jr. Worked With Democrats For Years
 

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None of that shiit had anythung to do with collusion of the election....nor did have anything to do with email....nor did it imoact the elelection.....



Wait, Donald Trump's campaign manager, son-in-law and closest adviser, and actual son go together to a meeting with someone who says that they're going to provide help with the campaign as part of Russia and their government's broader effort to help the campaign.

HOW IS THAT NOT COLLUSION?


Trump's campaign adviser and future Attorney General repeatedly meets with the Russian Ambassador and discusses the campaign, lies to the Senate and claims he never met with him at all, then when exposed lies again and says they didn't talk about the campaign.

You just gonna keep your eyes shut?



If you forget that the Russian female lawyer worked with Fusion GPS....the same company that said Din Cheeto was being peed on by Russian prostitutes .

I might as well be on Breitbart. :snoop:

Fusion GPS is just a for-profit company that does opposition research for hire. They were hired by Republicans to do opp research on Trump during the primaries, in turn they hired former M6 Christopher Steele to gather information for them, and HE got the information from Russian contacts and then turned it over to the Justice Department because he was worried about it.

The "female Russian lawyer" is Natalia Veselnitskaya, the lawyer for Prevezon Holding, a shady tax shelter which is owned by the VP of Russia's state railway. They were sued by the Justice Department under the Magnitsky Act. Veselnitskaya wasn't registered to practice law in the USA so they hired BakerHostetler, an American law firm, to represent them, and that law firm hired Fusion GPS to do research for them.

THAT is the ridiculous, strained connection you're trying to make? :mjlol:





Plus, after meeting with Trump Jr to talk only about the Magnitsky Act, that same Russuan female lawyer was puctured hanging out with Democrats...she is basically a Democratic operative... Russian Lawyer Who Met with Donald Trump Jr. Worked With Democrats For Years

Wait, you actually ARE linking Breitbart. :mjlol:

Even if Breitbart wasn't a racist alt-right cesspool created solely to give angry white men a place to vent, do you realize that the place WHOSE FOUNDER IS SITTING IN THE WHITE HOUSE RIGHT NOW probably isn't the best place to get accurate information about the White House scandals?

:stopitslime:

And what's Breitbart's ENTIRE case for Veselnitskaya being "basically a Democratic operative"?

1. She once attended a dinner with Republican rep Dana Rohrabacher, chair of the subcommittee overseeing Russian policy
2. She has been photographed inside the office of Republican John McCain
3. She once hired a former Democrat rep to lobby for the Magnitsky Act
4. She hired Fusion GPS to do opposition research. Fusion GPS has also done work for Republicans and Democrats.
5. She once hired a PR company that has also down work for Republicans and Democrats
6. She once screened an anti-Magnitsky film to Republican and Democrat congressional staffers
7. She once attended a hearing and sat in the row behind the Ambassador to Russia, at the invite of Republicans


ALL of that activity was part of her effort to repeal the Magnitsky Act for the benefit of the Russian government.

How does any of that make her "basically a Democratic operative", you rock-brain? :gucci:
 
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Plus, after meeting with Trump Jr to talk only about the Magnitsky Act, that same Russuan female lawyer was puctured hanging out with Democrats...she is basically a Democratic operative... Russian Lawyer Who Met with Donald Trump Jr. Worked With Democrats For Years

Here is the ACTUAL story of who she is, not from freaking Breitbart, but from last week's Congressional testimony, under oath.

"The Russian government has also used its resources and assets to try to repeal the Magnitsky Act. One of the most shocking attempts took place in the spring and summer of last year when a group of Russians went on a lobbying campaign in Washington to try to repeal the Magnitsky Act by changing the narrative of what had happened to Sergei. According to them, Sergei wasn’t murdered and he wasn’t a whistle-blower, and the Magnitsky Act was based on a false set of facts. They used this story to try to have Sergei’s name taken off of the Global Magnitsky Act that passed in December 2016. They were unsuccessful.

Who was this group of Russians acting on behalf of the Russian state? Two men named Pyotr and Denis Katsyv, a woman named Natalia Veselnitskaya, and a large group of American lobbyists, all of whom are described below.

Pyotr Katsyv, father to Denis Katsyv, is a senior Russian government official and well-placed member of the Putin regime; Denis Katsyv was caught by U.S. law enforcement using proceeds from the crime that Sergei Magnitsky uncovered to purchase high-end Manhattan real estate (the case recently settled with the Katsyv’s paying $6 million to the U.S. government). Natalia Veselnitskaya was their lawyer.

In addition to working on the Katsyv’ s money laundering defense, Ms. Veselnitskaya also headed the aforementioned lobbying campaign to repeal the Magnitsky Act. She hired a number of lobbyists, public relations executives, lawyers, and investigators to assist her in this task.

Her first step was to set up a fake NGO that would ostensibly promote Russian adoptions, although it quickly became clear that the NGO’s sole purpose was to repeal the Magnitsky Act. This NGO was called the Human Rights Accountability Global Initiative Foundation (HRAGI). It was registered as a corporation in Delaware with two employees on February 18, 2016. HRAGI was used to pay Washington lobbyists and other agents for the anti-Magnitsky campaign. (HRAGI now seems to be defunct, with taxes due.)

Through HRAGI, Rinat Akhmetshin, a former Soviet intelligence officer naturalised as an American citizen, was hired to lead the Magnitsky repeal effort. Mr. Akhmetshin has been involved in a number of similar campaigns where he’s been accused of various unethical and potentially illegal actions like computer hacking.

Veselnitskaya also instructed U.S. law firm Baker Hostetler and their Washington, D.C.-based partner Marc Cymrot to lobby members of Congress to support an amendment taking Sergei Magnitsky’s name off the Global Magnitsky Act. Mr. Cymrot was in contact with Paul Behrends, a congressional staffer on the House Foreign Affairs Committee at the time, as part of the anti-Magnitsky lobbying campaign.

Veselnitskaya, through Baker Hostetler, hired Glenn Simpson of the firm Fusion GPS to conduct a smear campaign against me and Sergei Magnitsky in advance of congressional hearings on the Global Magnitsky Act. He contacted a number of major newspapers and other publications to spread false information that Sergei Magnitsky was not murdered, was not a whistle-blower, and was instead a criminal. They also spread false information that my presentations to lawmakers around the world were untrue.

As part of Veselnitskaya’s lobbying, a former Wall Street Journal reporter, Chris Cooper of the Potomac Group, was hired to organize the Washington, D.C.-based premiere of a fake documentary about Sergei Magnitsky and myself. This was one the best examples of Putin’s propaganda.

They hired Howard Schweitzer of Cozzen O’Connor Public Strategies and former Congressman Ronald Dellums to lobby members of Congress on Capitol Hill to repeal the Magnitsky Act and to remove Sergei’s name from the Global Magnitsky bill.

On June 13, 2016, they funded a major event at the Newseum to show their fake documentary, inviting representatives of Congress and the State Department to attend.

While they were conducting these operations in Washington, D.C., at no time did they indicate that they were acting on behalf of Russian government interests, nor did they file disclosures under the Foreign Agent Registration Act."

Bill Browder's Testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee



She ain't no "Democratic operative", she's the lawyer for a high-up Russian government official and her sole purpose is to try to get the Magnitsky Act repealed for the benefit of Russian government officials. Even your idiot Breitbart article didn't offer any evidence of her being involved in anything outside of that.
 

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Trump/Russia Hacking Democratic computer collusion...doesn't exist.
..that is the core of the allegations....going off into tangents that don't revolve or are associated to that core story is how the confusion has been so prolific.

Again....Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Pakistani IT aides are getting no shine in the MsM..... and it is absolutely connected and associated with the core allegations.

Asking about your opponent's vices or corruption is not collusion nor is it illegal.
...if it's illegal to find dirt on your opponent show me where. Keep in mind there is no proof of Trump/Russia collusion with regards to this Russian lawyer ....the core allegation......who seems to be playing both sides or just playing Trump's side.

The only reason we are having this conversation is because Russia/Trump has been embedded into the minds of so many people that they have visceral reactions to the words together :francis:...
 
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Trump/Russia Hacking Democratic computer collusion...doesn't exist.
..that is the core of the allegations....going off into tangents that don't revolve or are associated to that core story is how the confusion has been so prolific.

Again....Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Pakistani IT aides are getting no shine in the MsM..... and it is absolutely connected and associated with the core allegations.

Asking about your opponent's vices or corruption is not collusion nor is it illegal.
...if it's illegal to find dirt on your opponent show me where. Keep in mind there is no proof of Trump/Russia collusion with regards to this Russian lawyer ....the core allegation......who seems to be playing both sides or just playing Trump's side.

The only reason we are having this conversation is because Russia/Trump has been embedded into the minds of so many people that they have visceral reactions to the words together :francis:...


No, the real problem is that Trump is too retarded to know how to squash this sort of thing. His "fighting" behavior won't let go of the tiniest slight or insult. Previous presidents for the most part let conspiracy theories and scandals slide off their back. Trump has to put everything front and center because he is a brat beyond all brats. No matter the validity. His character made the Russia thing bigger than it had to be.

All of our intelligence agencies caught Russia in the cookie jar, but you are focused on the partisan aspect between Trump and Russia. The latter is a side product of political partisanship and Trump's idiocy.
 

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No, the real problem is that Trump is too retarded to know how to squash this sort of thing. His "fighting" behavior won't let go of the tiniest slight or insult. Previous presidents for the most part let conspiracy theories and scandals slide off their back. Trump has to put everything front and center because he is a brat beyond all brats. No matter the validity. His character made the Russia thing bigger than it had to be.

All of our intelligence agencies caught Russia in the cookie jar, but you are focused on the partisan aspect between Trump and Russia. The latter is a side product of political partisanship and Trump's idiocy.

Yall keep saying this, but can't provide a single piece of evidence to support the allegation......nooooo proooof....nothing...just repeating allegations and hoping to convince yourself and everyone else repeating it makes it true....:snoop:

"If you say a lie enough times people will believe it's true" - Some 20th Century European Dictator​
 

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Trump/Russia Hacking Democratic computer collusion...doesn't exist.
..that is the core of the allegations....going off into tangents that don't revolve or are associated to that core story is how the confusion has been so prolific.

Asking about your opponent's vices or corruption is not collusion nor is it illegal.
...if it's illegal to find dirt on your opponent show me where. Keep in mind there is no proof of Trump/Russia collusion with regards to this Russian lawyer ....the core allegation......who seems to be playing both sides or just playing Trump's side.

The only reason we are having this conversation is because Russia/Trump has been embedded into the minds of so many people that they have visceral reactions to the words together :francis:...

52 USC 30121, 36 USC 510 — the law governing foreign contributions to US campaigns. There are two key passages that apply here. This is the first:

A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by [this law].



Opposition research on your opponent IS a thing of value. Donald Trump CLEARLY solicited opposition research as a donation from a Russian national who was working for a high-level Russian state official. How can you deny this?

"The law states that no person shall knowingly solicit or accept from a foreign national any contribution to a campaign of an item of value,” Goodman tells me. “There is now a clear case that Donald Trump Jr. has met all the elements of the law, which is a criminally enforced federal statute.”

“To the extent you’re using the resources of a foreign country to run your campaign — that’s an illegal campaign contribution,” Nick Akerman, an assistant special prosecutor during the Watergate investigation who now specializes in data crime, says.

“The emails are simply put damning as a legal matter,” explains Ryan Goodman, a former Defense Department special counsel and current editor of the legal site Just Security. “The text of the emails provide very clear evidence of participation in a scheme to involve the Russian government in federal election interference, in a form that is prohibited by federal criminal law.”

Jens David Ohlin, a law professor at Cornell University, is even blunter: “It’s a shocking admission of a criminal conspiracy.”

“The most recent [developments] are especially significant because they include specific statements on the record conceding the Trump campaign’s expressed interest in what the Russians could provide,” Bob Bauer, White House counsel for Barack Obama from 2010 to 2011, writes at Just Security. “Those statements show intent — a clear-cut willingness to have Russian support — and they reveal specific actions undertaken to obtain it.”

Legal experts say Donald Trump Jr has just confessed to a federal crime



You called the lawyer for a high-up Russian state official a "Democratic operative" with no evidence whatsoever, and are quoting Breitbart as your sources on the controversy, and YOU dare complain about the media or other people's "proof" in their accusations?

If there was nothing illegal about the meeting, why did Donald Trump Jr. lie and claim the meeting had never happened? Why did Kuchner lie and never disclose his presence at the meeting? Why did Trump himself lie and claim that he didn't know about the meeting until it was publicly released?
 

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Yall keep saying this, but can't provide a single piece of evidence to support the allegation......nooooo proooof....nothing...just repeating allegations and hoping to convince yourself and everyone else repeating it makes it true....:snoop:

"If you say a lie enough times people will believe it's true" - Some 20th Century European Dictator
Lmao. This sums up your line of thinking perfectly
 

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Yall keep saying this, but can't provide a single piece of evidence to support the allegation......nooooo proooof....nothing...just repeating allegations and hoping to convince yourself and everyone else repeating it makes it true....:snoop:

"If you say a lie enough times people will believe it's true" - Some 20th Century European Dictator​

Just to be clear - no intelligence agencies have said that Russia interfered with our elections in one way or another? No senator has said this? No congressperson?
 

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Just to be clear - no intelligence agencies have said that Russia interfered with our elections in one way or another? No senator has said this? No congressperson?

Elaborate on the proof.
Where is the details of these allegations.

Show me exactly how Russia hacked our elections or the DNC, and Trump colluding to do this.

I can say I have the winning lottery ticket...the lottery commissooners are gone be like great NWA.....all we need is proof, where is the ticket.......and I keep saying that all my associates know I won, and my associates call the commission and say NWA definitely won......and the commission says that's fine, but we need proof..not a bunch of people parroting each other.

Again, perpetrators of interests like Debbie Wasserman Schultz and foreign Pakistani IT workers with access to Democrat congresspeople emails and info, making 3x the normal salary of a Congressional IT worke, with dozens of brken harddrives being found, and arrested dir trying to flee the country is completely.....WITH PROOF of wrongdoing.....
 

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52 USC 30121, 36 USC 510 — the law governing foreign contributions to US campaigns. There are two key passages that apply here. This is the first:

A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by [this law].



Opposition research on your opponent IS a thing of value. Donald Trump CLEARLY solicited opposition research as a donation from a Russian national who was working for a high-level Russian state official. How can you deny this?

"The law states that no person shall knowingly solicit or accept from a foreign national any contribution to a campaign of an item of value,” Goodman tells me. “There is now a clear case that Donald Trump Jr. has met all the elements of the law, which is a criminally enforced federal statute.”

“To the extent you’re using the resources of a foreign country to run your campaign — that’s an illegal campaign contribution,” Nick Akerman, an assistant special prosecutor during the Watergate investigation who now specializes in data crime, says.

“The emails are simply put damning as a legal matter,” explains Ryan Goodman, a former Defense Department special counsel and current editor of the legal site Just Security. “The text of the emails provide very clear evidence of participation in a scheme to involve the Russian government in federal election interference, in a form that is prohibited by federal criminal law.”

Jens David Ohlin, a law professor at Cornell University, is even blunter: “It’s a shocking admission of a criminal conspiracy.”

“The most recent [developments] are especially significant because they include specific statements on the record conceding the Trump campaign’s expressed interest in what the Russians could provide,” Bob Bauer, White House counsel for Barack Obama from 2010 to 2011, writes at Just Security. “Those statements show intent — a clear-cut willingness to have Russian support — and they reveal specific actions undertaken to obtain it.”

Legal experts say Donald Trump Jr has just confessed to a federal crime



You called the lawyer for a high-up Russian state official a "Democratic operative" with no evidence whatsoever, and are quoting Breitbart as your sources on the controversy, and YOU dare complain about the media or other people's "proof" in their accusations?

If there was nothing illegal about the meeting, why did Donald Trump Jr. lie and claim the meeting had never happened? Why did Kuchner lie and never disclose his presence at the meeting? Why did Trump himself lie and claim that he didn't know about the meeting until it was publicly released?

A. She doesn't work for the Russian government, as far as we know. So that part about Russian governmemt interference through this Russian lawyer is inaccurate. Remember she was hanging out with Democrats just a few days after the meeting with Trump, Jr. So either she is playing both sides of field or playing Trump's side.

What high level Russian state official?? She worked with Fusion GPS, which is a Democratic affiliated company, that put out Russian prostitutes peeing on Trump story, and she worked for a private Russian citizen that wanted to work on Russian adoptions. What Russian government official are you referring too?

B. The Russian lawyer in one story claimed to have information on Hillary related corruption.....it turns out, and both her and Trump, Jr have said she didn't have any thing that would harm her campaign, and instead talked about Russian adoptions ..... so even if you are using this law as proof, the conversation wasn't about Hillary but seemingly getting support for Russian adoptions

C. We have international media in the U.S. that report on corruption of candidates during election times.....is that not something of value to opposing candidates from foreign sources? ......or is that in the gray area? Which means enforcing rules arbitrarily.
 

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A. She doesn't work for the Russian government, as far as we know. So that part about Russian governmemt interference through this Russian lawyer is inaccurate. Remember she was hanging out with Democrats just a few days after the meeting with Trump, Jr. So either she is playing both sides of field or playing Trump's side.

She worked for Pyotr Katsyv, a senior Russian government official and well-placed member of the Putin regime, and his son Denis Katsyv. They were caught using funds stolen from a British company by the Russian government and were sanctioned under the Magnitsky Act. Natalia Veselnitskaya was their lawyer and is trying to repeal the Magnitsky Act on behalf of them and others.

On top of that, in the emails setting up the meeting, SHE WAS IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT. That's right there in the emails to Donald Trump Jr. himself. How can you deny that?

She has lobbied Democrats AND Republicans to repeal the Magnitsky Act. She'll talk to whoever will listen. The difference is, there is no evidence that she ever offered any Democrat campaign contributions in order to get their support. THAT would be illegal. But she DID offer help to the Trump campaign, and they were HAPPY to solicit it from her.




What high level Russian state official?? She worked with Fusion GPS, which is a Democratic affiliated company, that put out Russian prostitutes peeing on Trump story, and she worked for a private Russian citizen that wanted to work on Russian adoptions. What Russian government official are you referring too?

Pyotr Katsyv, former Minister of Transportation in Moscow and current Vice President of the state-owned Russian Railways, and his son Denis Katsyv. That is who Natalia Veselnitskaya was working for.

She never worked for Fusion GPS, they were just another group that the Katsyvs hired to assist their efforts.

Are you really this dense to still be talking about Russian adoptions? No one here is that naive, are they?

Any time any of these frauds say, "Russian adoptions", it is a codeword for the Magnitsky Act. NO ONE in the United States can get Russian adoptions started up again, only Putin can. If you're lobbying in the USA, you're not lobbying for Russian adoptions, you're lobbying for the end of the Magnitsky Act. And no one other than corrupt Russian officials and those who support them care one bit about the Magnitsky Act.



B. The Russian lawyer in one story claimed to have information on Hillary related corruption.....it turns out, and both her and Trump, Jr have said she didn't have any thing that would harm her campaign, and instead talked about Russian adoptions ..... so even if you are using this law as proof, the conversation wasn't about Hillary but seemingly getting support for Russian adoptions

Donald Trump Jr. lied and said that he had never set up any meetings with Russians.

Donald Trump Jr. lied and said that he had never represented the campaign in any meetings with Russians.

Donald Trump Jr. lied and said that the meeting was about adoption and not a campaign issue.

Donald Trump Jr. lied and claimed that he hadn't know who she was when he met her, not saying a word about having been told she was associated with the Russian government.

Donald Trump Jr. lied and claimed that that Russia supporting Trump was "fake news" even though he was receiving emails which casually mentioned "Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump" and replying back "I love it."

Donald Trump Jr. lied and claimed that his father was never informed about the meeting.


With all those lies, you're just going to believe him that nothing came out of the meeting? You just take his word for it?




C. We have international media in the U.S. that report on corruption of candidates during election times.....is that not something of value to opposing candidates from foreign sources? ......or is that in the gray area? Which means enforcing rules arbitrarily.

Yes, it would be illegal for a foreign national media person to work for a campaign for free.
 
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