General Trump Administration F**kery Thread (2025-2029)

[Ciggavelli]

1. I didn't vote because I'm not eligible to vote. I advocated that people vote for Kamala Harris in this election.

2. This is not how logic works. What you're advocating for is a slippery slope into even worse depravity and horrors because you refuse to hold your preferred party/candidate to account. If you let your preferred party in a duopoly know that your only criteria for unbridled support is that they are a modicum less depraved than the alternative, they will continue to race to the bottom and you'll be voting for MAGA next election because MAGA+ is the other option on the ballot.

So for you to condemn people for not uncritically supporting the Democratic Candidate/Party's support for the genocide against the Palestinian people because the Republicans are worse is indicative of a lack of moral (or even just rational) seriousness. It indicates you don't view the victims of this genocide as actual human beings with lives and value and worth and dignity equal to you or me, but rather as just cogs and widgets in a domestic election contest.

Condemning someone for refusing to play the depraved game of Sophie's Choice is not the flex you think it is.

The problem with your line of reasoning is that it is not based in reality. Trump was clearly the worst possible person to win by like every objective measure. You’re also not holding these non-voters accountable for their actions. Their non-vote was a vote for genocide+. You gotta think more than one step ahead in logic. The non-voters are unserious, 1 issue, low information voters who got the opposite of what they wanted. I do blame them for the more deaths. They just thought one step ahead and not the many other steps that happen with a non-vote. Trump is not just bad for Palestine, he’s bad for the US, and the World. To consent to his presidency because of a non-vote is despicable. They won’t admit it, but their non-vote was a vote for Trump. They either didn’t think that far ahead or didn’t think about the consequences. They consented to an even worse genocide. I didn’t. I voted for Kamala because we live in a country where you have to pick the lesser of two evils. It’s a basic concept that was somehow lost on the non-voters. I think they are pathetic for not thinking it through more. They consented to even more killing and death. Their protest vote is doing the exact opposite of what they wanted. It’s basic reasoning. They helped to make the world a worse place. And if they knowingly did that, I think even less of them.

 

[Ciggavelli]

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Your line of reasoning leads to more deaths. It’s clear as day. How can you not see it?

Kamala would have been better than Trump, so I voted for her and encouraged people around me to as well. At least I tried.

The non-vote people helped put Trump back in power. They are part of the problem and not the solution. Their political statement or perceived ideological superiority will lead to even more death and destruction. I do think they have blood on their hands. What is an extra 50k dead not a big deal to them?

Academic theories are all well and good in an ideal world, but we don’t live in an ideal world. There were two choices, and they chose Trump

 

[wire28]

The problem with your line of reasoning is that it is not based in reality. Trump was clearly the worst possible person to win by like every objective measure. You’re also not holding these non-voters accountable for their actions. Their non-vote was a vote for genocide+. You gotta think more than one step ahead in logic. The non-voters are unserious, 1 issue, low information voters who got the opposite of what they wanted. I do blame them for the more deaths. They just thought one step ahead and not the many other steps that happen with a non-vote. Trump is not just bad for Palestine, he’s bad for the US, and the World. To consent to his presidency because of a non-vote is despicable. They won’t admit it, but their non-vote was a vote for Trump. They either didn’t think that far ahead or didn’t think about the consequences. They consented to an even worse genocide. I didn’t. I voted for Kamala because we live in a country where you have to pick the lesser of two evils. It’s a basic concept that was somehow lost on the non-voters. I think they are pathetic for not thinking it through more. They consented to even more killing and death. Their protest vote is doing the exact opposite of what they wanted. It’s basic reasoning. They helped to make the world a worse place. And if they knowingly did that, I think even less of them.

we can go back and forth for hours every day but that’s what it comes down to at the end

When you had two options in front of you did you willingly decide to make the world a worse place

 

[Sohh_lifted]

Is King Kreole tryna say Trump will help Palestine?

 

[Sohh_lifted]

@King Kreole You're a fukkin idiot.

 

[Pressure]

Is King Kreole tryna say Trump will help Palestine?

Did you forget what he said about Trump and black people?

 

[King Kreole]

The problem with your line of reasoning is that it is not based in reality. Trump was clearly the worst possible person to win by like every objective measure. You’re also not holding these non-voters accountable for their actions. Their non-vote was a vote for genocide+. You gotta think more than one step ahead in logic. The non-voters are unserious, 1 issue, low information voters who got the opposite of what they wanted. I do blame them for the more deaths. They just thought one step ahead and not the many other steps that happen with a non-vote. Trump is not just bad for Palestine, he’s bad for the US, and the World. To consent to his presidency because of a non-vote is despicable. They won’t admit it, but their non-vote was a vote for Trump. They either didn’t think that far ahead or didn’t think about the consequences. They consented to an even worse genocide. I didn’t. I voted for Kamala because we live in a country where you have to pick the lesser of two evils. It’s a basic concept that was somehow lost on the non-voters. I think they are pathetic for not thinking it through more. They consented to even more killing and death. Their protest vote is doing the exact opposite of what they wanted. It’s basic reasoning. They helped to make the world a worse place. And if they knowingly did that, I think even less of them.

A non-vote or protest vote is not a vote for Trump. A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump. A non-vote is a choice to not support any candidate. Liberals and Centrist love to invoke this fallacy but it's just brazen Newspeak nonsense. A non-vote simply removes the subject from the electoral system and lowers the threshold for either/any candidate running. It doesn't privilege one side over the other. It helped Kamala as much as it helped Trump. But Liberals exclusively weaponize this illogical argument against the left because it's just a manifestation of their ideological paternalism and inherent disrespect of the left, as if they are owed their support and votes with nothing in exchange.

There is no logical or serious metric by which a non-voter morally abstaining from voting for Kamala because she refused to oppose the Palestinian genocide has more blood on their hands than a Kamala voter who refused to push her to change her position on this topic. One could even make the claim that the Kamala voters who blindly supported her idiotic gamble to go whole hog on courting the Never Trump Republican and refused to threaten leveraging their support for her ended up giving her the false confidence to purse her fatally flawed campaign plan and helped Trump get elected. That's a bit of a tortured argument, but far less mutilated than claiming all non-voters should be counted as Trump voters.

 

[Sohh_lifted]

Did you forget what he said about Trump and black people?

Idk what he said, I blocked dude a long time ago

 

[King Kreole]

Your line of reasoning leads to more deaths. It’s clear as day. How can you not see it?

Kamala would have been better than Trump, so I voted for her and encouraged people around me to as well. At least I tried.

The non-vote people helped put Trump back in power. They are part of the problem and not the solution. Their political statement or perceived ideological superiority will lead to even more death and destruction. I do think they have blood on their hands. What is an extra 50k dead not a big deal to them?

Academic theories are all well and good in an ideal world, but we don’t live in an ideal world. There were two choices, and they chose Trump

My line of reasoning is that people should have voted for Kamala Harris because she (barely) passed the threshold for being considered a worthwhile alternative to Trump, but that she crossed a red line that invalidated a moral imperative to support her. I don't see how that leads to more deaths.

Unless you're using meta-causality, Trump voters put Trump back in power, not non-voters or third party voters or Kamala voters. You seem to be deeply aggrieved by their moral indictment ("perceived ideological superiority") of your choices which has led you to concoct these weird, tortured systems of blame assignment.

What I'm talking about isn't "academic theories" it's just very basic logical analysis and a cursory understanding of history.

 

[King Kreole]

Is King Kreole tryna say Trump will help Palestine?

 

[King Kreole]

@King Kreole You're a fukkin idiot.

Idk what he said, I blocked dude a long time ago

 

[Wild self]

Is King Kreole tryna say Trump will help Palestine?

Notice he has no smoke for Trump. He is legit scared of MAGA and when MAGA annex Palestine , he gonna remain quiet.

That is what a coward does: hides of the face of true evil and will never challenge it.

Just like Tariq Nasheed.

 

[the cac mamba]

It indicates you don't view the victims of this genocide as actual human beings with lives and value and worth and dignity equal to you or me, but rather as just cogs and widgets

but that's exactly how Hamas views the people of Gaza. why don't you ever call them out?

explain to us how Hamas helped Gazans on October 7th. then explain why Hamas' leaders have gotten rich by stealing foreign aid meant for civilians

you think you have some kind of moral high ground, but you're just some jerkoff who types things on the internet, from your Spanish IP address, because you think they sound good

 

[King Kreole]

Notice he has no smoke for Trump. He is legit scared of MAGA and when MAGA annex Palestine , he gonna remain quiet.

That is what a coward does: hides of the face of true evil and will never challenge it.

Just like Tariq Nasheed.

Spot on man. I have never had a single negative thing to say about Donald Trump. I have "no smoke for him" (whatever the fukk that means) and I am very scared of MAGA. When MAGA annex Palestine (whatever the fukk that means) I will remain quiet. I hide in the face of true evil (whatever the fukk that means) and will never challenge it. Just like...Tariq Nasheed ().

You have defeated me with the power of logic and good posting. One day I just hope I can find the moral strength of the Democrats and Liz Cheney aka the Good Guys to face down the fount of true evil that is Donald Trump. Because we live in a Disney movie.

 

[King Kreole]

Ay @FAH1223 in 2025 can we get some moderation to tamp down on the kind of submental bullshyt I'm facing here? It has nothing to do with advancing discussions and is seemingly based on the same petty beef nonsense that flooded the election threads in 2024. HL should be a space free from TLR-level posting.