General Political Fúckery Thread: 119th Congress Begins! Schumer Caves! Government Funded Through September 30, 2025

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Yeah, the Senate Dems are folding.

If the GOP were in the minority and the tables were flipped, they'd be shutting the government down.

Hickenlooper raises a good point. Trump wants the government essentially shut down anyway, wouldn’t you be giving him the power to do it?

Do you think Hickenlooper isn’t being honest here?

Republicans don’t want the government to function so them using it as leverage isn’t an apples to apples comparison
 

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Hickenlooper raises a good point. Trump wants the government essentially shut down anyway, wouldn’t you be giving him the power to do it?

Do you think Hickenlooper isn’t being honest here?

Republicans don’t want the government to function so them using it as leverage isn’t an apples to apples comparison
No as jd Vance stated yesterday they wouldn't have the power to continue the mission doge is on, however if the government is funded with specifically this bill they will unilaterally have more control
 

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No as jd Vance stated yesterday they wouldn't have the power to continue the mission doge is on, however if the government is funded with specifically this bill they will unilaterally have more control
So you’re saying Hickenlooper is lying?

Doge is one thing but Trump being able to specify which departments are essential is exactly what power he wants to have
 

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Look at @FAH1223 post with the Hickenlooper tweet.

Wouldn’t a government shutdown give Trump more power to destroy the government?

Nice edit by the way
So you’re saying Hickenlooper is lying?

Doge is one thing but Trump being able to specify which departments are essential is exactly what power he wants to have

Stopping DOGE in their tracks might be worth it.

Sam Seder said it yesterday. Parts of the government are already shut down.
 

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Stopping DOGE in their tracks might be worth it.

Sam Seder said it yesterday. Parts of the government are already shut down.

I actually lean more this way. I’m just worried that Trump can still pull the whole “See?! Look how ineffective government can be!” card to further his mess.
 

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Don't know how I feel about a government shutdown. Many federal employees already face a lot of uncertainty, especially with these upcoming RIFs. Many aren't even sure they'll have a job in the coming months.
The last thing they need is to undergo a significant period in which they're not getting paid. I feel like this is all a trap by Trump/Elon in order to leave the government shutdown for as long as possible. It allows them to justify cutting non-essential employees.

What do you guys think?
 

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Don't know how I feel about a government shutdown. Many federal employees already face a lot of uncertainty, especially with these upcoming RIFs. Many aren't even sure they'll have a job in the coming months.
The last thing they need is to undergo a significant period in which they're not getting paid. I feel like this is all a trap by Trump/Elon in order to leave the government shutdown for as long as possible. It allows them to justify cutting non-essential employees.

What do you guys think?
I think if they shut it down they better be in front of the cameras 24/7 because Americans are dumb and will believe whatever they are told first. The fact that republicans hold every branch should be simple enough to convince people, the GOP has a harder time convincing the average dolt it’s the dems fault if they have no “power”.
 
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So you’re saying Hickenlooper is lying?

Doge is one thing but Trump being able to specify which departments are essential is exactly what power he wants to have
On the surface, it seems like he's exaggerating the risk to justify a bad vote. Normally, under a government shutdown, the president doesn't gain unchecked power. Things like essential services are still determined by existing laws, contingency plans and OMB guidelines. However, with the principle author of Project 2025 at the head of the OMB, Trump can have him reinterpret those guidelines to serve his interests (changes the would surely face legal challenges). So it could theoretically lead to them selectively deeming agencies essential that align with his agenda. Hickenlooper's framing is dramatic, but the underlying concern isn't entirely baseless.

Don't know how I feel about a government shutdown. Many federal employees already face a lot of uncertainty, especially with these upcoming RIFs. Many aren't even sure they'll have a job in the coming months.
The last thing they need is to undergo a significant period in which they're not getting paid. I feel like this is all a trap by Trump/Elon in order to leave the government shutdown for as long as possible. It allows them to justify cutting non-essential employees.

What do you guys think?
I personally think Senate Democrats should vote "no" and let the government shut down, because the CR seems far more dangerous. While I hate the idea of a shutdown, passing their bill would explicitly hand Trump unchecked power over federal spending.

House Democratic leaders pressed their members to oppose the legislation, contending that it would enable the White House’s effort to drastically reduce federal spending without consulting Congress. Unlike regular spending bills, temporary extensions do not explicitly direct how the federal funding levels that lawmakers set should be allocated.

That would give the Trump administration broader discretion over large sums of money at a time when the president has already moved aggressively to block the government from disbursing funds authorized by Congress for a variety of programs.

If I read it right, their CR effectively gives Trump the power of the purse. At least under a shutdown, Trump can't directly reallocate funds.
 
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