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This is what Must has been saying for the past 8 years. FSD is always one year away.

Elon over delivers, so the stocks don't fall. but if you look at his track record, he is pretty damn good at keeping his promise. He maybe a weirdo, but he knows what he is doing.

Great news for tesla bulls.


Tesla has also reached an agreement with Baidu to use the Chinese giant's mapping license for data collection on China's public roads, according to two people, who described that as a step toward FSD rollout in China.

ya'll missing out. it's not too late. Tesla is a great company to invest. If you are a value investor, this company is not for you. but if you are into a disruptive company, ain't no company disrupts like tesla.
 

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this brother is more critical than others.



it's getting close. not there yet, but close.


Oh by the way, I don't even think Robotaxi will be the biggest money maker for Tesla. It's Optimus. In the future, every household will have humanoid robots doing dishes, cook dinner and shyt like a damn sci fi movies. you will be shopping robots in best buy like you are shopping for a damn TVs and laptops.
 
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This is what Must has been saying for the past 8 years. FSD is always one year away.
I said it on another board, the market is rigged. They want to keep Tesla high who knows why. shytty news from a bad quarter that would tank any other stock, Elon just makes up another BS target date and everyone ignores the last lie and swallows the new one. Oh and forget we cancelled the project we said would save the company.

FSD isn’t due for 10 years Elon says trust me this time, We’ll be really in 3.5 months. And again massive aftermarket trading.
 

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I said it on another board, the market is rigged. They want to keep Tesla high who knows why. shytty news from a bad quarter that would tank any other stock, Elon just makes up another BS target date and everyone ignores the last lie and swallows the new one. Oh and forget we cancelled the project we said would save the company.

FSD isn’t due for 10 years Elon says trust me this time, We’ll be really in 3.5 months. And again massive aftermarket trading.

Then he goes to China for some bogus PR stunt and Tesla goes from $142 to $195. :mjlol:

An entire cottage industry has been built around Tesla stock and they’ll do anything to pump up the value. GameStop wasn’t even this crazy.
 

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it's getting close. not there yet, but close.


Oh by the way, I don't even think Robotaxi will be the biggest money maker for Tesla. It's Optimus. In the future, every household will have humanoid robots doing dishes, cook dinner and shyt like a damn sci fi movies. you will be shopping robots in best buy like you are shopping for a damn TVs and laptops.


:dead: at Optimus.

You should be investing in Boston Dynamics if robots are the future. Tesla is way behind BD.

I hope you get out in time before all the smoke and mirrors are exposed.
 

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I said it on another board, the market is rigged. They want to keep Tesla high who knows why. shytty news from a bad quarter that would tank any other stock, Elon just makes up another BS target date and everyone ignores the last lie and swallows the new one. Oh and forget we cancelled the project we said would save the company.

FSD isn’t due for 10 years Elon says trust me this time, We’ll be really in 3.5 months. And again massive aftermarket trading.

This is far away from the truth. Tesla has been beaten to a pulp by the media and the market.

Tesla is 55% down from all time high. At one point it was down from 70%.

you just saying shyt without doing any ounce of research.
 

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:dead: at Optimus.

You should be investing in Boston Dynamics if robots are the future. Tesla is way behind BD.

I hope you get out in time before all the smoke and mirrors are exposed.


so there's only 1 company who's gonna eat? :ohhh:


the progress between gen 1 and 2 has been impressive.



They are spending money and getting better. Can't ask for more as a shareholder. industry will blow up very soon. there's gonna be fierce competitions, but many companies will eat. They are all in on this.

Also, you gotta admit, Tesla's has a key advantage over other companies - scalability. Tesla will have easier time scaling these robots.
 

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Mercedes beats Tesla, sells Level 3 autonomous cars on US soil​


Mercedes began offering autonomous driving in Germany in May 2022 and debuted the service in the US in December last year.​

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German luxury brand Mercedes has beaten Tesla and has already sold a vehicle with Level 3 autonomous driving capabilities on US soil, according to a Fortune report. The feature called Drive Pilot allows the driver to take their eyes off the road and hands off the steering wheel under certain conditions.

Elon Musk has been touting Tesla’s Full Self Driving (FSD) features for years. Last month, Version 12 of FSD was released with a Supervised tag, completing a long-promised task of taking FSD out of beta. Yet, the superior features that Musk speaks about allow Tesla cars to stay in their lanes, brake in case of an emergency, and warn the driver about blind spots but require the driver to keep their attention on the road and hands on the wheel at all times.

According to the classification used by the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE), Tesla’s FSD is still very much at Level 2 regarding autonomous driving, with Level 5 being fully autonomous, requiring no human input.

How does Mercedes’ autonomous driving work?​

Mercedes began offering Drive Pilot as a feature on its cars in Germany in May 2022. The cars went on sale in the US in December last year but only in California and Nevada, where the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMVs) have certified them.

According to the Fortune report, as many as 65 such vehicles were on sale in California. As per DMV records, one such vehicle has already been delivered to a California resident.

If you are worried that this particular resident might begin to behave like a few Tesla owners, whose little regard for the rules to be followed while using FSD caused multiple accidents, the Mercedes option sounds much safer.

Drive Pilot Level 3 has been authorized only when multiple conditions are met. It has to be used during the day when the car is traveling below speeds of 40 miles (64 km) per hour. Moreover, the tech can only be deployed on selected freeways in Nevada and California that have been approved by Mercedes. When the vehicle alerts, the driver needs to resume control.

The road ahead​

Drive Pilot is available to US customers for a subscription price of $2,500 per year on the EQS Sedans and S-class cars. The price is steep, considering that the service works in only two US states and has been offered in Europe for as little as US $5,300 (5000 euros) for a three-year membership at its lower end.

While one would assume that the service will grow to include other states as well, if the FSD experience has taught us something, it is that autonomous driving isn’t that straightforward to deploy.

Mercedes is also testing turquoise lights for tail lights, headlights, and rearview mirrors as identification signs for other drivers and law enforcement agencies that the car is being driven autonomously. But all this looks more like preparation for the next step, Level 4 autonomous driving, which might seem obvious but is a much bigger mountain to climb.

While in Level 3, the car can alert the driver to take control, Level 4 systems are much more sophisticated and need a driver to intervene only when the system fails. This effectively means the system can even handle unexpected situations on the road, which is a much tougher ask.

Interestingly, Level 4 autonomous driving is already deployed in the US, and services like Waymo and GM’s Cruise operate fleet vehicles with such capabilities. However, these fleets are owned and operated by the companies, and the tech isn’t sold to individual car owners. Cruise’s license was suspended last year after one of its vehicles dragged a pedestrian for 20 feet.

The question remains: How well is Tesla equipped to respond to this development?

This report contains information that first appeared in Fortune.



 

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Tesla Lays Off Employee Who Slept In Car To Work Longer Hours​

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Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 11:15 AM EDT3 min read

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Tesla laid off at least 10 percent of its workforce earlier this month, and in typical Tesla fashion, the Texas-based automaker made sure the layoffs were done in an organized fashion with plenty of communication and a clearly defined strategy. Just kidding. The layoffs were so poorly executed that security was forced to scan employees’ badges at the door to figure out who had been laid off. And, apparently, that included a guy who had taken to sleeping in his car and showering at the factory so he could work longer hours.

Nico Murillo, who until April 15 had been working as a production supervisor at Tesla’s Freemont facility, recently posted his layoff experience on LinkedIn and sharing the timeline of how he discovered he’d lost his job:

4:30am: Opened my laptop, account was de activated. Thought it was just another IT problem, so didn’t think anything of it.

5:00am I usually check my emails while on my autopilot commute to work (1hr 30min drive) Email read: “Unfortunately as a result, your position has been eliminated by this restructuring.”

5:05am Texted my manager, but he said “everyone got it, we’ll get more info later”

5:50am Tried to badge in, and the security guard took my badge and told me I was laid off

6:00am Sat in my car in disbelief.

You would think that someone who works at Tesla would know that even with Tesla’s so-called “Full Self-Driving” software, Autopilot is only a Level 2 system and still requires the driver to monitor the road instead of checking emails. After all, its use has been linked to more than 200 crashes and at least 29 deaths, but for the purposes of this post, we’re just going to move on because his story takes a quick, depressing turn.

According to Murillo, in his five years at Tesla, he moved from an entry-level Production Associate role to Lead Production Associate and eventually Production Supervisor. Also, with a 90-minute commute each way, in 2023, he apparently started sleeping in his car, showering at the factory and microwaving his dinners on days that he was working.

Unfortunately for Murillo, no amount of loyalty to a company is going to be met with any amount of loyalty to you. Even if you post better numbers than your coworkers, you’re ultimately just another meat sack they’re forced to pay until they can figure out how to replace you. Which might explain why the United Auto Workers union is making huge gains in Alabama, of all states, and Volkswagen workers in Chattanooga recently voted to join the UAW even though a similar vote failed back in 2019.

Hopefully, Tesla’s Fremont plant isn’t too far behind Volkswagen’s Chattanooga facility. They deserve better than being forced to line up at the door so they can wait for security to figure out who still has a job.

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so there's only 1 company who's gonna eat? :ohhh:


the progress between gen 1 and 2 has been impressive.



They are spending money and getting better. Can't ask for more as a shareholder. industry will blow up very soon. there's gonna be fierce competitions, but many companies will eat. They are all in on this.

Also, you gotta admit, Tesla's has a key advantage over other companies - scalability. Tesla will have easier time scaling these robots.


BD has been working on humanoid robots for a very long time and they are not even close to having a consumer product. It’s not even clear if it’s possible. All of a sudden, Must comes along a few years ago and suddenly he’s has developed a consumer ready product? :dead:

Don’t be a sucker. You better find an exit strategy out of that cult or you will lose all that money that you have gained so far. :ufdup:
 

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Life After X: Journos Who Ditched Elon Musk’s Twitter Speak Out​

Juwan HolmesApr 26th, 2024, 7:00 am




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By all accounts, one of the great benefits of Twitter has always been real time access to information. That made it a vital platform for journalists and news outlets seeking not just a live feed for their coverage but also to build their brands as immediate sources for reporting and commentary. As political reporter Peter Hamby wrote in a 2013 paper for the Harvard Shorenstein Center, for better or worse, Twitter forever changed the news business as a result.

Now, two years since Twitter’s board first agreed to sell the company to Elon Musk, reliable information is disappearing from the site as more and more journalists and newsrooms have reduced their presence, or outright disappeared from the platform now known as X. Mediaite spoke with four journalists about what caused them to limit their use of Twitter and what their social media use looks like now.

Oliver Darcy, CNN’s senior media reporter and author of the Reliable Sources newsletter, spoke with Mediaite about both his team’s decision – and his own personal one – to completely exit the platform in July 2023.

“I just don’t know why you would want to serve as a cog in the machine of someone who is at war with you and doing everything he can to smear your profession and tarnish what you do,” he said. “So it just seemed pretty clear that Reliable Sources was no longer a good fit for X.”

Musk has become increasingly antagonistic to the media industry since taking over. His own personal disdain for the media has extended into a broader effort to discredit it; Musk and his high-profile supporters regularly post on X celebrating the decline of traffic to news sites and ratings of news networks. Those that publish stories critical of him bear the brunt of his attacks. He has also made extreme changes to the platform in an effort to reduce the reach of the traditional media, changing how links are displayed and stripping prominent outlets like The New York Times of their verified badges.

Perhaps his biggest tiff with media newsrooms came when he made changes to Twitter’s “state-affiliated” designations in April 2023. Twitter removed this label from accounts of state-run outlets, such as Russia’s RT and Iran’s PressTV, but then added them to BBC News, CBC and Radio Canada, PBS, and NPR — although those organizations are not operated by any government. Musk changed the labels multiple times before they were eventually removed, but that prompted both NPR and PBS to stop posting on their primary accounts (although several NPR affiliates and PBS programs, such as PBS NewsHour, remain active). CBC took a pause as well, and was on the butt end of a joke from Musk when it resumed posting on X.

Despite his claims to being a free speech absolutist, Twitter accepted more censorship requests under Musk than prior to his ownership. When an official X account tried to claim that the company “supports” pro-free speech organizations such as Reporters Without Borders, the non-profit came out and stated it has not received “any form of support from X whatsoever” and called the platform “a haven for disinformation and in no way an ally” to them.

All the while, Musk has sought to burnish Twitter’s bonafides as a news platform by bringing media veterans on board to post exclusive content on the platform. The results have been mixed. The signing of two of the biggest names in media – Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon – to revenue sharing deals has mostly imploded. Musk axed Lemon’s deal after an interview between the pair went awry, and Carlson has begun promoting his own website’s subscription service rather than Twitter.

It is a stark change from the Twitter that was revolutionizing the digital media landscape just a decade ago. It became conventional wisdom in the 2010s that a presence on Twitter was vital to the success of any media operation, due to the easy access to verifiable information, firsthand sources, and – perhaps, most of all — readers and audiences, in a way that was practically unmatched by any singular website or digital tool.

The present version of Twitter has become the opposite of that: prominent Twitter features — such as TweetDeck, the search bar, and direct messaging — have been restricted, the verification program has become a subscription service that any account can access, leading to a proliferation of bad information, and hateful content has reportedly spiked.

“It wasn’t perfect by any means,” Darcy said of old Twitter, “but at least there was an attempt at creating a community where there was a priority on truth stemming the flow of misinformation and conspiracy theories. Right now, the person that owns it is a prominent peddler of that kind of content.”

Rachel Chen, a Toronto-based journalist with several years’ experience in audience development, told Mediaite she “used to spend a lot of time on Twitter — I liked the feeling of being ‘the first to know’ about events and there were a lot of interesting discussions.” But she quit the platform when Musk took over.

“I studied information policy in university and I know how much it takes to run a platform,” said Chen. “The way he talked about Twitter made it clear to me he has no idea what it takes. He still doesn’t.”

Others had similar feelings about the state of the platform under Musk, who made it a priority to gut the company and significantly reduce its staff — many of whom worked in moderation or other services that made it a reliable source of news.

“I had been on Twitter in some form or another since 2012 or 2013 and I remember being really excited for all the stuff I had learned there and the people I never would’ve met otherwise,” Aria Velasquez, the founding writer of the Labor Pains newsletter, told Mediaite, “but all things must come to an end.”

While not all of Twitter’s problems began with Musk, the journalists Mediaite spoke with cited his acquisition as the turning point.

“I had started getting a little tired of Twitter already by the time Elon bought the site last year,” Velasquez said. “Then when he took over… I knew my days on that site were numbered.” She called it quits sometime in February 2023, four months after he assumed control.

Two years into Musk’s leadership, Twitter’s business and reputation is in tatters. Despite his claim to being a “free speech absolutist,” Musk has waged high-profile wars against his own critics. Musk is currently suing Media Matters for America, a liberal research group critical of the content allowed on Twitter. He has tried to bring legal action against several other critics or users he didn’t like, including the the Center for Countering Digital Hate, the Anti-Defamation League, and the individual behind the @ElonJet account. As recently as January, multiple journalists and content creators have been repeatedly suspended after making posts critical of him or sharing information about his critics.

It’s not just detractors or major media outlets that have been on the receiving end of Musk’s ire. He has also beefed with Matt Taibbi, one of the journalists who he worked with to release the “Twitter Files,” dismissed Andrew Ross Sorkin’s concerns about the declining traffic publishers are receiving from the social network. Musk also claimed Kara Swisher – with whom he used to have a friendly relationship – “should take it easy on the Adderall” after she interviewed a former Twitter executive about the platform’s problems.
 

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“I mean, in general, I think it was kind of like a Jenga puzzle, and at some point, the puzzle just collapsed,” said Darcy. “He had done one thing at a time, removing one piece at a time of what made Twitter worth spending time on. It became clear that this was going one direction. It was a one way train, and I did not want to be on the train anymore.”

“I actually think I had a fairly open mind early on, at least, when Musk expressed some interest in purchasing it,” said Darcy. “But I’m not sure I ever anticipated this… I don’t think I ever anticipated getting to the point where I’d leave the website altogether.”

Musk’s chaotic stewardship of the social media behemoth has fueled an exodus of other users. Darcy cited data from multiple research firms and public sources, reported by NBC News, that found usage of the site has declined overall every month since November 2022. “I do think a lot of people have reduced the amount of time on, or content they’re posting on, Twitter,” he said.

Some publications that left the platform said they did not face problems as a result. Six months after leaving, NPR reported that it has only lost 1% of its website’s traffic as a result.

Indeed, media analytics company Chartbeat found that Twitter accounted for just 1.1% of its clients’ referral traffic in February 2023, lower than any point in the five years prior.

Others have struggled after quitting Twitter. Frankie Huang, the co-editor of Reappropriate, an Asian-American and Pacific Islander feminist blog, told Mediaite the site suffered following its exit: “To be blunt, Reappropriate is pretty fukked without Twitter at the moment. We had relied on Twitter as a public utility and never imagined that it would fall apart in such a rapid and disastrous manner.”

A survey Reappropriate ran of its readers showed “an overwhelming majority of readers find us through Twitter, which meant we were completely reliant on Twitter functioning properly to be seen at all,” Huang said.

Other outlets that have remained on the platform have seen their referral traffic drop. Social media engagement firm NewsWhip found in September 2023 that The New York Times, which Musk has called a “mouthpiece of the state,” saw posts with links to their articles receive much lower visibility on Twitter compared to other media websites.

“If you look at everything that he’s done – and this is not even including the fact that sometimes, the site’s basic features don’t function that well anymore – I just don’t know how you can look around in that space and decide that that’s where you want to put your time and effort,” said Darcy.

In the meantime, alternatives are vying to take Twitter’s place as the premier text-based platform, with varied levels of success among journalists. Threads and BlueSky have proven the most popular, while Mastodon and Spill have pulled some popular media personalities but little mainstream traction.

“In my perfect world, the ‘Fediverse’ would kick into gear and allow people to just interact across different platforms,” Darcy said. In the absence of that infrastructure in place, Reliable Sources currently posts to Threads, Instagram, and Linkedin.

“I don’t know if there’s one platform out there that’s the ‘perfect’ platform right now,” he said. “I will say, though, our primary platform at Reliable Sources is a newsletter where we have a direct relationship with our audience, and there’s no middleman or algorithm that’s stepping in the way.”

Meta, the operator of several social media websites including Threads, has had an adversarial relationship with media as well. “I think that some of the things that are said and done are concerning, in terms of what Meta is doing,” Darcy said. “I am no stranger to criticizing Meta, or Mark Zuckerberg, or [Instagram head] Adam Mosseri. But I don’t think they’re governing their platforms in the same realm as the way Elon Musk is governing Twitter, or X.”

The other journalists that spoke to Mediaite also have given the smaller alternatives a shot. “I joined Bluesky about a month and a half ago, and so far it’s been fine. Most of the people I liked following on Twitter are on there and it’s not as crowded,” Velasquez said.

Huang, who had “completely abandoned Twitter” in March, said they “have grown somewhat fond of Bluesky, though I withhold any real optimism about it replacing Twitter for me as a distribution platform for my work and what we publish on Reappropriate.”

“I still use Instagram to connect with friends, but professionally I’m probably sticking to LinkedIn,” Chen said, because “the platform was built for that.”

Whether any alternative works out, or another Twitter is needed at all, remains one of the great quandaries for the media industry. “Regardless of any problems with the site, journalists have a very unhealthy relationship with Twitter,” Darcy said. “Everyone in the industry is, or has been for a while obsessed.”

Huang, describing Twitter currently as “a clown car on fire,” said “I do think newsrooms should still continue to use it, in the spirit of taking up some space so misinformation [doesn’t] take up all of the space.”

Rather than “helping keep the site alive,” Huang argued journalists should abandon the platform in the hopes of hastening its demise. “We should just nuke it from orbit at this point.”

“I think there is no harm in still using it professionally, if you have the capacity,” Chen said, but she “probably” won’t use it again because “there is so much noise in the world already.”

One conclusion was consistent among the journalists that spoke with Mediaite: the only way they’d consider returning is if Musk was no longer in charge. “I think as long as he’s at the top of a platform, that platform’s not going to be stable because he has proven that he does not govern in a stable way,” said Darcy.

“I never had a large audience on my personal [Twitter] account, so it’s not as though I lost a megaphone or anything,” Velasquez said. “I do miss seeing really smart people in conversation, but I don’t miss how much time I spent on that site, if that makes any sense. I’ve taken back some of my brain space.”

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Take a look at where Tesla is allocating its resources—it's all about AI. Tesla is at an influxpoint; it's AI or bust. Without solving autonomy, there's no future. They just become one of the car companies. BYD is making strides, and the Chinese are rapidly improving. They're like Agent Smith, while Tesla is like Neo before the beast mode.

Elon Musk envisions Tesla becoming an AI/tech company. You might not like him, but you can't deny his ambition. You can't hate the hustle. He wants colonize Mars. he ain't satisfied selling cars.

The traditional EV business model is becoming obsolete. There's intense competition, and EV manufacturing is becoming more accessible to others. Look at the reviews for the Ioniq 5N; it's impressive. Even cheap Chinese EVs are proving to be decent. Lucid building super EVs. every damn companies will have very good EVs.

As Elon Musk said, if you doubt Tesla will crack autonomy, then don't invest. But if you believe they will, then now's the time to invest.

We're approaching a significant turning point, akin to the AlphaGo moment. It's just a matter of time.

for those of you who don't know what AI is capable of






I got in as early as $25. My current avg is $76. I will not sell my stock until I retire.

I thought it was another company that supposed to be the “ai” company

Aix or whatever it was called
 
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