General Elon Musk Fukkery Thread

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Measure app engagement and usage through search trends brehs...The Twitter Patriots ladies and gentlemen.

No twitter alternative is going to shutter or kill twitter overnight. The alternatives will grow as more bad political, procedural and technical decisions are made at Twitter over the coming months. It's a marathon, not a sprint. This is why Musk has forced the engineering teams to drop EVERYTHING and work on features. It's never a good idea to rush features without a stable environment for them to live and be maintained in. He's creating a nasty catch22 by not strengthening the existing features and underlying platform but introducing more complexity and bugs to identify and fix.

He'll continue to push waves of users off the platform voluntarily or involuntarily. That's when the alternatives grow their userbase and usage.
 

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Measure app engagement and usage through search trends brehs...The Twitter Patriots ladies and gentlemen.

No twitter alternative is going to shutter or kill twitter overnight. The alternatives will grow as more bad political, procedural and technical decisions are made at Twitter over the coming months. It's a marathon, not a sprint. This is why Musk has forced the engineering teams to drop EVERYTHING and work on features. It's never a good idea to rush features without a stable environment for them to live and be maintained in. He's creating a nasty catch22 by not strengthening the existing features and underlying platform but introducing more complexity and bugs to identify and fix.

He'll continue to push waves of users off the platform voluntarily or involuntarily. That's when the alternatives grow their userbase and usage.

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Measure app engagement and usage through search trends brehs...The Twitter Patriots ladies and gentlemen.

No twitter alternative is going to shutter or kill twitter overnight. The alternatives will grow as more bad political, procedural and technical decisions are made at Twitter over the coming months. It's a marathon, not a sprint. This is why Musk has forced the engineering teams to drop EVERYTHING and work on features. It's never a good idea to rush features without a stable environment for them to live and be maintained in. He's creating a nasty catch22 by not strengthening the existing features and underlying platform but introducing more complexity and bugs to identify and fix.

He'll continue to push waves of users off the platform voluntarily or involuntarily. That's when the alternatives grow their userbase and usage.
It's crazy for a big company to be doing this, especially a tech company :mindblown: Elon has normalized twitter outages and poorly thought out, untested updates.

Imagine YouTube going down multiple times a week, imagine YouTube deciding on a whim that you can't view videos without logging in or arbitrarily placing limits on your video view time. When a tech giant has an outage people usually start speculating about a large scale attack, meanwhile with twitter the biggest likelihood is that Elon unplugged something :mjlol:

I think Threads purposely omitted following feed and chronological feed so they can flood user feeds algorithmically in case there's lack of engagement. If people you follow don't really post that much, you will eventually stop using the app but this way they're able to keep people interested. Very smart move by them.

But I think the most important thing for Threads will be a proper web app, without any restrictions/limitations (unlike instagram, facebook and now twitter). Website will get more journalists and news orgs involved and probably increase their google search links.
 

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Measure app engagement and usage through search trends brehs...The Twitter Patriots ladies and gentlemen.

No twitter alternative is going to shutter or kill twitter overnight. The alternatives will grow as more bad political, procedural and technical decisions are made at Twitter over the coming months. It's a marathon, not a sprint. This is why Musk has forced the engineering teams to drop EVERYTHING and work on features. It's never a good idea to rush features without a stable environment for them to live and be maintained in. He's creating a nasty catch22 by not strengthening the existing features and underlying platform but introducing more complexity and bugs to identify and fix.

He'll continue to push waves of users off the platform voluntarily or involuntarily. That's when the alternatives grow their userbase and usage.
They don’t even have to “kill” twitter. Elon saddled the company with so much debt that twitter was already most likely going to go bankrupt even if there wasn’t a bluesky, mastadon, threads etc. Factor that in with the fact that he alone caused the massive exodus of ad revenue and users and even a small loss of market share and revenue is certain bankruptcy.

Although, he theoretically could just keep dumping tesla stock to keep twitter afloat for longer. Either way is fine for me :obama:
 

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Their ad revenue is down over 50% after Elon took over and even at %100 they weren’t even profitable :mjlol:

:pachaha: Elon bout to get a ton of people audited for failing to report taxable income, I don't see any legal documentation on this shyt... probably a turd emoji anyway.
 

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I checked the latest pages and didn't see this posted.

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Elon Musk was always going to destroy Twitter. The real surprise is how fast he was able to wreck it.Jenny Chang-Rodriguez/Insider; Chesnot/Getty Images

Elon Musk has killed the one thing that made Twitter special

It's been less than a year since he bought it, and Elon Musk's Twitter is already well on its way to suffering a fate worse than death — irrelevance.

The platform, which Musk promised to turn into a free-speech, bot-free haven, is glitchier, bottier, and spammier than ever. In May, when Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida announced his presidential candidacy on Twitter, a parade of malfunctions turned what should have been a historic moment for the company into a mess. Twitter hasn't even been able to hold it together during the news-making events it's known for — such as while Rihanna was performing at the Super Bowl halftime show. And pretty much every new "feature" that Musk rolls out — from an increase in the length of tweets to the now infamous "rate limit" that prevents users from seeing more than a set number of tweets a day — has made the product worse.

Twitter is at its core an advertising business — the last public financials showed that over 90% of its revenue came from ads. To succeed in that business, it needs both the users who generate content and the clients who buy ads to believe it is a stable, reliable place. If an advertising platform can't be trusted during the Super Bowl of advertising — the Super Bowl — then what good is it?

And now there is growing competition. On Thursday — a couple of weeks after Musk challenged him to a cage fight — Mark Zuckerberg's Meta launched Threads, a social-note site fused with Instagram. In less than 24 hours, Threads had over 30 million users, including Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Jennifer Lopez, and Steph Curry. For Musk, this should be more embarrassing than getting wrecked in the ring. Clearly in some kind of mood over Threads' overnight success, he wrote on Twitter: "It is infinitely preferable to be attacked by strangers on Twitter, than indulge in the false happiness of hide-the-pain Instagram."

Yeah, OK, chief.

Being relevant was Twitter's core strength as a platform. It never really made money, and it was never the biggest social network. But when something was happening, people immediately went to Twitter to know more. Its appeal was its ability to collect information about the present moment, whether it was the death of a notable member of society, a weather event, or traffic. Unfortunately, Musk's fumbling is rubbing all that relevance away and giving other platforms an opening.

Musk has said he might turn Twitter into an "everything app" — a one-stop shop for anything from ride-hailing to shopping. But what's more likely is that he will turn it into former President Donald Trump's Truth Social — a digital megaphone for a single, raging narcissist and all the people who fawn over him.

How you do a turnaround
In the early days of Musk's Twitter takeover, I told you he was overpaying for the company. Once the deal went through, I said he had no real plan to turn the business around. In those respects, I think it's fair to say I was right. That said, all this is unraveling much quicker than I thought it would.

Twitter certainly needed a turnaround. Even before the takeover, it needed new management, a reevaluation of the business, and investment in product innovation to bring in new users. Unfortunately for Twitter, Musk is not a traditional turnaround guy. In fact, he's not a turnaround guy at all. All the businesses he has started were first movers in nascent industries. What made those businesses successful won't work at Twitter, but Musk tried it anyway. He fired over 70% of Twitter's staff with absolutely no respect for their institutional knowledge. He acted as if he alone could be the advertising business (like he was at Tesla). And he didn't bother to get to know what users wanted out of their Twitter, assuming instead that his hopeless addiction to tweeting had already given him all the answers. But unsurprisingly, being a billionaire "reply guy" does not give one a clear sense of why everyday people are using the product.

I'll give you an example. For years, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, the agency that controls New York City's subways and buses, used Twitter to send out automated alerts about emergencies and service changes. It was a symbiotic relationship for the site — users depended on the platform for timely updates about stalled trains and late buses, while the MTA had a quick, reliable way to reach customers.

Musk decided in April to abruptly cut off access to the Twitter program that allowed the MTA to send out automated alerts after it ran relatively smoothly for years. Musk — who is frantically looking for cash in Twitter's couch cushions — wanted to charge users for access to this feed, known as Twitter's application programming interface. He thought that national weather services, governments, and emergency-response agencies all needed Twitter more than Twitter needed them. The MTA estimated it could cost it $50,000 a month to retain access, but instead of paying up, it called his bluff. The MTA returned only when Musk reversed his decision and allowed government agencies to come back at no charge. The situation forced Musk to show his hand, and it was a weak one.


"The only difference with Twitter and Musk's other companies is that he's treating Twitter users worse than he treats his employees," Vicki Bryan, the founder of the bond-research service Bond Angle, told me over the phone.

Twitter's product is also suffering because Musk notoriously doesn't pay his bills on time, a tendency that has frustrated Tesla's suppliers for years. Now it's frustrating Twitter's landlords and Goldman Sachs, which is holding bad property loans because Musk refuses to pay the rent for a handful of the company's offices.
 

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And if you read between the headlines, there are whiffs of Musk's miserliness everywhere. Just before the July 4 holiday, he announced that the site would begin limiting the number of tweets users could see in a single day. He claimed it was to improve the experience and get at those pesky bots. If that's true, Musk is sacrificing Twitter's reputation as a trusted destination for breaking news and free-flowing conversation to fight spam. That's like lighting a house on fire to get rid of termites. The strategy makes more sense if it's actually a misdirection from Musk's penurious mismanagement. As of late June, Twitter hadn't paid its database provider Oracle in months. And last month, CEO Linda Yaccarino had to settle Twitter's outstanding bill with Google Cloud, which provides a home for Twitter's data as well as other computing services. It's unclear how the company would survive without the infrastructure these companies provide, and it's almost certain that these are not the only critical business relationships Musk has put at risk.

So sure, maybe limiting user access to the site is about the bots. Maybe, to Musk, that's a crusade worth sacrificing the very thing that makes Twitter special. Maybe he thinks fighting the bots is worth shrinking Twitter — a social-media site that has been trying to grow its user base for years. But it seems much more likely that the site is under pressure from understaffing, weak infrastructure, and a C-suite full of cheap dilettantes.

If anyone has any bright ideas over at Twitter — aside from charging for a blue checkmark no one wants anymore — now is the time to share them. In May, Fidelity, the giant mutual fund that retained its stake in Twitter through Musk's purchase, marked down its valuation of the company in May to $6.5 million from about $20 million in October. That's about one-third of what it once was. Bryan has been following the saga of the $13 billion worth of debt that Musk had to load onto Twitter to take it over. She told me that in her decades of experience, she had never seen a company deteriorate in value so quickly.

Twitter's true price isn't the $44 billion Musk paid; it's a falling knife — and everyone on Wall Street knows it. That's why banks such as Morgan Stanley, which signed on to sell Twitter's $12.5 million in debt, are simply sitting on piles of bonds and hoping for a miracle, rather than suffering the debasement of selling them for pennies on the dollar. According to The Wall Street Journal, Twitter's debt makes up the majority of what's left of the $80 billion pile of "hung debt" sitting on banks' balance sheets — bonds from various acquisitions that no one wants to buy because now that interest rates are higher, the whole deal market has slowed down. Higher interest on debt also means Twitter's debt payments are more expensive. That leaves little room for error or experimentation when it comes to investing in Twitter as a product.

"If Elon asks the banks for more money, they're going to say, 'Sorry, driving through a tunnel, can't hear you,'" Bryan said. "If the people you sold your debt to can't sell it, you're not going to get more debt."

 
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