Genealogy Thread

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

You sure!? I'm here to help.

It's one of hobbies. And I have been lucky to have many men and women help me - so please feel free to ask away. I can at-least try to direct you to a resource - if I can't help

It wasn't a question. I miss read something you wrote. Thought you said your people were from Choctaw Alabama. But you said they were enslaved by the Choctaw.

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

What's the book you ordered? Or plantation?

It's called
August reckoning: Jack Turner and racism in post-Civil War Alabama

 

[xoxodede]

It's called
August reckoning: Jack Turner and racism in post-Civil War Alabama

I'm gonna look around and see if I can find anything

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

I'm gonna look around and see if I can find anything

Well idk if he is an actual blood relative but I do know that he was owned by the same family. The slave owner is Abner Turner but his son Beloved married a woman Harriet King. Between the two of them they had over 100 slaves. Some slaves were owned by King's family but I have no idea those origin of said slaves or many of their names. Many of those people who came there after were Mulattos so there was obviously some mixing but again I have no evidence that an actual Turner father any of my ancestors. There is also the surname Ridgeway that is common in the county but I can't find a slave owner by that name.

 

[xoxodede]

Well idk if he is an actual blood relative but I do know that he was owned by the same family. The slave owner is Abner Turner but his son Beloved married a woman Harriet King. Between the two of them they had over 100 slaves. Some slaves were owned by King's family but I have no idea those origin of said slaves or many of their names. Many of those people who came there after were Mulattos so there was obviously some mixing but again I have no evidence that an actual Turner father any of my ancestors. There is also the surname Ridgeway that is common in the county but I can't find a slave owner by that name.

Ridgeway is Alabama (Greene) or (Butler) right? I'm familiar with both.

Some links to check out.
http://dnamatches.blogspot.com/2016/06/origin-of-ridgeways-ridgway-of-greene.html
Choctaw County, AL Queries


My advice would be to contact: Choctaw Public GIS Index and ask them if they have the family bible or contact for the Turner/King family. And Ridgeway. It's usually a descendant contact that can help you.

Have you seen?

Link 1: Message Boards

This link has women from the Turner/Beloved/King Tree - I would email them as tell them what you are looking for - and she if they have the family bible, or can point you to the records of the men, women and children that were held there.

Re: Looking for the descendents of Harriet or Lillie Turner
Mary Gordon Smith (View posts)
Posted: 03-31-2004 04:57AM
Classification: Query
Surnames: Gordon/Claunch/Turner/McMillan/Elliott/Belser/Love/Blewett/Kennedy
Mallorie
I think we have communicated before. I have in my tree a Beloved Love Turner married a Harriet King Mitchell and had a daughter Fredonia. If my notes are correct, Harriet was married prior to Beloved. They are both buried in Mt Sterling in the Spinks/Turner Cemetery. Email me at southerncomfort1@msn.com and I will give you what I have.
Mary

Link 2: Slaves of James G. Slater & Family

James G. Slater married Jane Turner, sister of Beloved Love Turner. B.L. Turner in
1841 in Washington County, AL gave a deed of trust for certain slaves to Trustee
Eli S. Thornton for the benefit of Turner’s sister Jane and her children.

I would reach out to her - The email is the name at the top - and she may be able to direct you.

Link 3: Slave Records //// Choctaw County Genealogy

A list enslaved in Choctow County

Link 4: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~alccgs/agafam.PDF

Another list - with enslaved from Beloved Love Turner

Link 5: Harriet King Mitchell Turner (1806 - 1865) - Find A Grave Memorial

Contact the cemetery and ask them if they know where the slave cemetery of Beloved Love Turner/King is located. And do they have a contact for the family.

 

[Elle Seven]

What resources are you all using to trace your family tree? Unfortunately for me, I didn't realize the wealth of knowledge which was my grandparents in my youth, and they are all gone now. The only information I've been able to find was thru online census records, but without living relatives to verify a lot of what I have seen, I still feel like I'm not making too much progress.

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

Ridgeway is Alabama (Greene) or (Butler) right? I'm familiar with both.

Some links to check out.
http://dnamatches.blogspot.com/2016/06/origin-of-ridgeways-ridgway-of-greene.html
Choctaw County, AL Queries


My advice would be to contact: Choctaw Public GIS Index and ask them if they have the family bible or contact for the Turner/King family. And Ridgeway. It's usually a descendant contact that can help you.

Have you seen?

Link 1: Message Boards

This link has women from the Turner/Beloved/King Tree - I would email them as tell them what you are looking for - and she if they have the family bible, or can point you to the records of the men, women and children that were held there.

Re: Looking for the descendents of Harriet or Lillie Turner
Mary Gordon Smith (View posts)
Posted: 03-31-2004 04:57AM
Classification: Query
Surnames: Gordon/Claunch/Turner/McMillan/Elliott/Belser/Love/Blewett/Kennedy
Mallorie
I think we have communicated before. I have in my tree a Beloved Love Turner married a Harriet King Mitchell and had a daughter Fredonia. If my notes are correct, Harriet was married prior to Beloved. They are both buried in Mt Sterling in the Spinks/Turner Cemetery. Email me at southerncomfort1@msn.com and I will give you what I have.
Mary

Link 2: Slaves of James G. Slater & Family

James G. Slater married Jane Turner, sister of Beloved Love Turner. B.L. Turner in
1841 in Washington County, AL gave a deed of trust for certain slaves to Trustee
Eli S. Thornton for the benefit of Turner’s sister Jane and her children.

I would reach out to her - The email is the name at the top - and she may be able to direct you.

Link 3: Slave Records //// Choctaw County Genealogy

A list enslaved in Choctow County

Link 4: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~alccgs/agafam.PDF

Another list - with enslaved from Beloved Love Turner

Link 5: Harriet King Mitchell Turner (1806 - 1865) - Find A Grave Memorial

Contact the cemetery and ask them if they know where the slave cemetery of Beloved Love Turner/King is located. And do they have a contact for the family.

Thank you. That helps a lot. I will look into all those.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Ancestry added a new feature called Genetic Communities I found interesting.

Im not surprised about beloging to the South carolina group because of their Gullah/Geechie population as they come from the same area my tribe is found.

The Caribbean thing is a given.

I'm more so interested to see the other regionsz

 

[im_sleep]

It's probably time for some visiting South Carolina - or numerous phone calls to to track down more info.

Tips:
Look for a Drayton Family South Carolina Facebook Club: They are really good and can help you find your family.
Do you have the Census/Slave Schedules? If so, do you know the district/county? Say it was Lauren's. You can contact Lauren's Historical Society
Do you know any of their names or children's names?
Did you find any older relatives with that name on Find-A-Grave? Usually they are buried around the same area - it's it will be a slave cemetery at the planation.
Have you taken an Ancestry DNA test? This is VERY helpful cause you will find relatives you match with after. And they will have names - so you might luck up. You can also be added to GEDMATCH.

I would call/contact the plantations + county historians and ask them to research for you - based of what you know. Here are some links below. Let me know if you need help.

South Carolina plantation offers an unretouched look back
The Bowens Family South Carolina National Heritage Corridor
Genealogy of Enslaved Communities on Drayton Family Plantations: A Research Project Sponsored by the Magnolia Plantation Foundation of Charleston, SC - Genealogy
Home | Drayton Hall
Drayton Hall Plantation - West Ashley, Charleston County, South Carolina SC

Thanks, I dont know why I didnt even consider making phone calls lol

Tried find-a-grave but couldn't find anything.

At first I wasn't really with the dna test thing, but I been having second thoughts

 

[im_sleep]

So many things...

- I found out my one set of my 3rd Great Grandparent parents were enslaved by the Choctaw in Alabama.

- found out another 3rd Great Grannie was forced to be a slave breeder and I don't know who my 3rd Great Grandad is from that line.

- I already knew this - but searching just made it real. My dad took his mom's husband last name - so my last name is not supposed to be my last name. And granddaddy was a player like to mess with married women.

- My paternal 2nd Great Grannie and Great Grannie were the town's "rootworkers" (which I kinda new lowkey) - and one is actually in "Hoodoo - Conjuration - Witchcraft - Rootwork" by HARRY MIDDLETON HYATT - Hoodoo Conjuration WItchcraft & Rootwork : Harry Middleton Hyatt : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

It's so much - but it's been real. And very emotionally draining - but a blessing.

Yeah the stuff you find out is crazy, especially when you tie it in to family stories. Thats cool as hell about the rootworkers in your fam. I grew up hearing my dad and older folks talk about that stuff alot, I might have to check that book out.

Im curious on what the numbers are on slaves owned by Natives. Alot of stories in my fam about a great grandparent or whatever being some kind of Indian, Black Irish, etc aint exactly adding up. Im not fully gonna discount it yet, but the more I research about mixed groups, free people of color, and the identities they took, the more skeptical I become about it

 

[xoxodede]

It really is. The book is a 5 volume book. It's a gem and most well-known book of it's kind. Great, crazy read.

I also use Free Family History and Genealogy Records — FamilySearch.org - they have "estate case files" that list the deed, estate files of the owners. They list the enslaved men, women and children names. For example - here's one of mine. Young Vickers owned my family: my 4th Great Grandmother - Caroline "Cloro" and her son my 3rd Great Granddad Stephen - Alabama Estate Files, 1830-1976; pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-23265-14869-78 — FamilySearch.org

The estate files can be really big and the writing is terrible - but you may find/verify some information you have been looking for. Or point you in the right direction.

Yeah, I am too. I know it's different reservations and land that they had plantations. I found out due to the last name and land/county were they were enslaved. You can find out if your family was via Freedman's as well.

But, the DNA test is really helpful. I have met so many people and access to trees and pictures I would have never found if I didn't take the test.

 

[xoxodede]

Ancestry added a new feature called Genetic Communities I found interesting.

Im not surprised about beloging to the South carolina group because of their Gullah/Geechie population as they come from the same area my tribe is found.

The Caribbean thing is a given.

I'm more so interested to see the other regionsz

That's great! I hope it gets better or something.

I got "possible" - which is not really helpful - because I knew that already...lol

Hundreds of years ago
Genetic Communities™
African Americans in Georgia
Connection: Possible

African Americans in the Deep South
Connection: Possible

 

[Apollo Creed]

That's great! I hope it gets better or something.

I got "possible" - which is not really helpful - because I knew that already...lol

Hundreds of years ago
Genetic Communities™
African Americans in Georgia
Connection: Possible

African Americans in the Deep South
Connection: Possible

Being that my parents are from Africa, my closest matches on Ancestry are 4th cousins so the shared relative is pretty much the slave that was captured/sold and brought to the states. I know my background but did the test as I felt it would be interesting to see how many people I am linked with being most people have a complete blank on who their ancestors were pre slavery.

Pretty much everyone who is my match Id put money all have an ancestor who came from my tribe or were of the ethnic group/family.

 

[Black Haven]

Ancestry added a new feature called Genetic Communities I found interesting.

Im not surprised about beloging to the South carolina group because of their Gullah/Geechie population as they come from the same area my tribe is found.

The Caribbean thing is a given.

I'm more so interested to see the other regionsz

Do you know how to upload your raw DNA from ancestry.com to DNAland.com to match the closest tribe you're from?

 

[Black Haven]

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