Game Of Thrones: Season 3 SPOILERS WELCOMED THREAD

[beanz]

So I was thinking about the Starks and the Targs today. We know these are the two mystical families with certain powers. The starks with warging and the Targs have been known to have a strong gift for prophecy. You always hear Dany saying the targs are the blood of the dragons. I used to just ignore that as just bluster/bragging that houses do about their sigils. But what if way back before there were valyrians, that Dragons reversed warged. Like maybe the Valyrians ancestors were Dragons who warged into human form, and that gives the current valrians the ability to tame/control/ride dragons.
Just a thought.

u might be on to something. altho i think if anything it might be the other way around. maybe the valyrians were also wargs like the first men. i dont know if they say where the first men come from in westeros lore, but if they are an old culture, and so are the valyrians, i dont think its impossible that maybe they came from the same place or bloodline. the andals came and crushed the building and killed all the first men in the south, but the north still has that blood. then for years everybody in the south was andal blood and they worshipped the seven, and then the dragons came thru and adopted the seven as their own faith cause they probably didnt have any. the first men also worshipped the trees and the old gods cause they adopted it from the children of the forest.

maybe the valyrians and the first men are related in someway.

 

[Bud Bundy]

u might be on to something. altho i think if anything it might be the other way around. maybe the valyrians were also wargs like the first men. i dont know if they say where the first men come from in westeros lore, but if they are an old culture, and so are the valyrians, i dont think its impossible that maybe they came from the same place or bloodline. the andals came and crushed the building and killed all the first men in the south, but the north still has that blood. then for years everybody in the south was andal blood and they worshipped the seven, and then the dragons came thru and adopted the seven as their own faith cause they probably didnt have any. the first men also worshipped the trees and the old gods cause they adopted it from the children of the forest.

maybe the valyrians and the first men are related in someway.

Maybe that is the ice and fire connection. And the first men came from Essos as well. I just don't think they came on ships like the andels.

 

[beanz]

Maybe that is the ice and fire connection. And the first men came from Essos as well. I just don't think they came on ships like the andels.

yea they used to have that piece of land that thousands of years ago connected dorne to essos and then thru some sorcery or someshyt was destroyed. the first men are probably like the native americans coming thousands of years ago thru the bering strait that connected alaska and russia at some point.

jon being half targ half stark makes even more sense to me thinking of it that way. especially since no targ and stark ever got together before, and the only time a blood of the first man family member and a targ got together, they spawned bloodraven. who is like a mega warg and a greenseer.

 

[Foxmulder]

Its kinda sad in here. So many of the posts are not about the show or the material in general but how much you want to laugh at people who havent read the book. Its almost like you're angry that someone doesnt know something that you do.

most of us read the books two or three times.Im sure people in here debated the same shyt over and over.this is just book readers having fun passing time till the new book comes out.

Most of the people in here try to help show people with back story and shyt.Some of them show people are just bytches.

 

[dem bath salts]

u might be on to something. altho i think if anything it might be the other way around. maybe the valyrians were also wargs like the first men. i dont know if they say where the first men come from in westeros lore, but if they are an old culture, and so are the valyrians, i dont think its impossible that maybe they came from the same place or bloodline. the andals came and crushed the building and killed all the first men in the south, but the north still has that blood. then for years everybody in the south was andal blood and they worshipped the seven, and then the dragons came thru and adopted the seven as their own faith cause they probably didnt have any. the first men also worshipped the trees and the old gods cause they adopted it from the children of the forest.

maybe the valyrians and the first men are related in someway.

Well we know for a fact the first men are from essos, remember they had to cross the broken arm to get to westeros and the children of the forest broke that arm to keep more of them from crossing over. I think the first men are an older people than the Valaryans too. Remember how the astapori or the ghis was like, ghis was old before the dragonlords ever came.

That's a good thought about valayrians maybe warged into the dragons instead.

 

[beanz]

Well we know for a fact the first men are from essos, remember they had to cross the broken arm to get to westeros and the children of the forest broke that arm to keep more of them from crossing over. I think the first men are an older people than the Valaryans too. Remember how the astapori or the ghis was like, ghis was old before the dragonlords ever came.

That's a good thought about valayrians maybe warged into the dragons instead.

yeaa thats what it was called the broken arm. i forgot about the history of that. so its very possible that both the valyrians and the first men were both wargs. i mean how else would they be able to control dragons? i kno they claim some sorcery too tho like the spells they use to forge valyrian steel, but like u said, the first men are even older than valyria. so they were probably already in westeros when the valyrians started forging valyrian steel with spells or whatever..

still, very very interesting point i had never thought about. and very possible.

 

[MidniteJay]

I'm watching last nights episode now. Got up to the part where Gendry gets confirmation on who his father was.

I was always bummed that he still hasn't learned in the books.

 

[JulesWinfield]

So I was thinking about the Starks and the Targs today. We know these are the two mystical families with certain powers. The starks with warging and the Targs have been known to have a strong gift for prophecy. You always hear Dany saying the targs are the blood of the dragons. I used to just ignore that as just bluster/bragging that houses do about their sigils. But what if way back before there were valyrians, that Dragons reversed warged. Like maybe the Valyrians ancestors were Dragons who warged into human form, and that gives the current valrians the ability to tame/control/ride dragons.
Just a thought.

 

[Bud Bundy]

So it looks like in the show that Jamie is going to make it back before Joffrey is killed and Sansa is going to be there. Interesting change.

 

[JulesWinfield]

So it looks like in the show that Jamie is going to make it back before Joffrey is killed and Sansa is going to be there. Interesting change.

Sansa was there. Remember lady Olena fixing her amethyst hair pin or whatever? She escapes that night if i remember correctly.

 

[Bud Bundy]

Sansa was there. Remember lady Olena fixing her amethyst hair pin or whatever? She escapes that night if i remember correctly.

She leaves the same night Joffrey is killed. What I mean is that Jamie is going to see Sansa and I am interested to see what he is going to do. He is suppose to take her back to the Starks.

 

[Mr. Pink]

That does no explain why Danny is immune to fire.

Dany is not immune to fire. Not exactly. She wasn't burned when she hatched the dragons precisely because it was a spell that she instinctively stumbled upon. But if she were to be set on fire under regular circumstances, she would burn.

That being said, I think GRRM confirmed she has some immunity to heat. As to why that is, I suspect it's for two reasons:
- Valyrians were very strong in fire and blood sorcery, so perhaps intense practice of magic over generations translates into a magical gene of sorts. Just like we know there were other Starks who were wargs.
- geographically the Valyrian peninsula is even further south than Dorne, and we know Dorne is a desert. Also the Valyrian city was close to the 14 volcanos where they found dragons and mined metals from. So probably over thousands of years they Valyrians developed a certain resistance to heat.

 

[Bud Bundy]

Dany is not immune to fire. Not exactly. She wasn't burned when she hatched the dragons precisely because it was a spell that she instinctively stumbled upon. But if she were to be set on fire under regular circumstances, she would burn.

That being said, I think GRRM confirmed she has some immunity to heat. As to why that is, I suspect it's for two reasons:
- Valyrians were very strong in fire and blood sorcery, so perhaps intense practice of magic over generations translates into a magical gene of sorts. Just like we know there were other Starks who were wargs.
- geographically the Valyrian peninsula is even further south than Dorne, and we know Dorne is a desert. Also the Valyrian city was close to the 14 volcanos where they found dragons and mined metals from. So probably over thousands of years they Valyrians developed a certain resistance to heat.

She also did not get burned when drago set her on fire in Adwd. All she lost was her hair.

 

[JulesWinfield]

She leaves the same night Joffrey is killed. What I mean is that Jamie is going to see Sansa and I am interested to see what he is going to do. He is suppose to take her back to the Starks.

True

 

[dem bath salts]

She leaves the same night Joffrey is killed. What I mean is that Jamie is going to see Sansa and I am interested to see what he is going to do. He is suppose to take her back to the Starks.

Hold on, what do yall mean Jaime is going to see sansa? You talking about when Brienne thinks she knows where sansa is? I think that is going to turn up as a cold trail. Nobody knows sansa is littlefingers supposed b*stard daughter chilling out in the vale