Nah. That post was the first time you tried to give Missy credit for melodic rapping. Obviously Bone was doing that years prior.
I'll gladly give her credit if she was responsible for a significant game changing innovation.
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I'll gladly give her credit if she was responsible for a significant game changing innovation.
Well, she did in fact rap melodically, which was distinct from what you claimed Lauryn Hill was doing. That's not made up, but yeah, her first album was a game changer because it paved the way for what later became this:
^^^ Not because she was just rapping melodically (which is something that I credited Snoop's Doggystyle album with in the same post that I listed Supa Dupa Fly as a game changer). I previously stated that Supa Dupa Fly was the marriage between Hip Hop and R&B. It wasn't where R&B singers were singing over Hip Hop breaks or rappers rhyming over R&B samples. It was production, songwriting, flows, and styles on Supa Dupa Fly that married both realms to the point where it became harder to make a distinction. It was music that worked in both realms without it being either/or.
Those videos aren't hip hop. They aren't even rapping.
And they aren't singing because of Missy. That's all Wayne and Kanye.
^^^ And this is what I'm getting at. There is rapping especially in the Tiller video. What exactly is Tiller doing starting around the 1:00 mark?
6Lack is considered as Hip Hop. This is what I'm talking about. Supa Dupa Fly erased the lines to where little distinction lies between what they are doing.
Wayne is on record saying he was influenced by Missy and those songs have nothing to do with Kanye.
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anyone say this yet?
and i mean changed for the worse
and i mean changed for the worse
Post the receipts for Wayne.
I must have missed Tiller rapping. I skipped around. Beat was trash.
I agree 6Lack is considered hip hop. But I'll never consider songs without rapping to. E hip hop.
Besides, what is considered "hip hop" nowadays is all about marketing. The trash singing over trap beats should be marketed as a new genre, but it's probably easier for record companies to go with hip hop.
If we're talking strictly changing the game
Criminal minded
It takes a nation of millions to hold us back
Straight outta compton
The chronic
36 chambers
Me against the world/all eyes on me
It was witten
Harlemword
400degreez
Marshall Mathers lp
Thug motivation 101
Crunk muzik
Graduation
808s & heart breaks
Flockaveli
Criminal minded
It takes a nation of millions to hold us back
Straight outta compton
The chronic
36 chambers
Me against the world/all eyes on me
It was witten
Harlemword
400degreez
Marshall Mathers lp
Thug motivation 101
Crunk muzik
Graduation
808s & heart breaks
Flockaveli
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My favorite rapper at the time was Missy Elliot. She was stupid creative. Nobody could fukk with her. There’s a difference between saying you on the block, knowing how to put what you did 10 years ago in a rap—that’s cool. But how about a person—not knocking Missy—but how about a person not having all the glitz and glamour of another muthafukka, but you on your block and they making you love what they say about themselves. At that time—and she still do—she rap about her style. She might throw her clothes in there or her money in there
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It doesn't matter what you or I consider Hip Hop. Tiller and Lack is what is considered Hip Hop.
That's a strange quote. The interviewer asks when he stepped up his game lyrically and points to the I'm a Soldier remix, Wayne says he was un New Orleans and Cash Money made him rap that way (in the 90s and early 2000s is what I gather he means) and they thought he should have Timbs and a backpack (I.e. He was Miller lyrical in an NY sense. That Cash Money liked Soulja Slim and DOC, but his favorite rapper was Missy.
He doesn't say she was the reason he started singing though.
All in all, it's a pretty disjointed stream of consciousness. But clearly he loved Missy at some point.
for posting a receipt, but I was looking for something along the lines of him pointing to Missy as why he decided to start singing.That's a strange quote. The interviewer asks when he stepped up his game lyrically and points to the I'm a Soldier remix, Wayne says he was un New Orleans and Cash Money made him rap that way (in the 90s and early 2000s is what I gather he means) and they thought he should have Timbs and a backpack (I.e. He was Miller lyrical in an NY sense. That Cash Money liked Soulja Slim and DOC, but his favorite rapper was Missy.
He doesn't say she was the reason he started singing though.
All in all, it's a pretty disjointed stream of consciousness. But clearly he loved Missy at some point.
Listening to Wayne specifically his debut single, Missy's influence on Wayne was evident. Him doing the sound effects, his flow on the song, etc is evident he listened to a lot of Missy. There's quotes from Drake's OVO camp where they specifically say 90's Timbaland influenced what they were doing. Drake's main producer, 40, even talked about how he would ride around listening to Missy's "Friendly Skies" from Supa Dupa Fly, which Drake sampled on So Far Gone.
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there are varying degrees of influence
to me, when it comes to nyc hip hop.. the most important influential groups of the 90s were wu, big/puff, nas/mobb deep, jay-z. an entire industry was built aroundthese guys and would spawn COUNTLESS imitators while they all took pieces from each other pretty much.
for example nas illmatic wasnt really influential on anyones sound, which was really borrowing the sounds of tribe, gangstarr, etc but the lyrics were influential to other emcees in the ny area which cant be underestimated
im pretty sure that the entire nyc mid 90s crew (wu, bad boy, nas, mobb,jay,etc) all bit off each other here and there,
cuban linx didnt set the industry on fire but it influenced every artist in the immediate genre. rza was a trendsetter in the same sphere as puff and had to compete with his sound. the resulting marriage made all i need THE rnb/rap prototype.
tho i would same CREAM itself is prolly the most influential song IN hip hop as the idea of getting money in hip hop has now become 1 in thesame.
no way out was an influential album that jay and nas and even wu would use pieces from to fit into the changing commercial landscape (from city is mine to chez chez laghost)
blueprint set the soul sample wave but was influenced directly from supreme clientele. nas said it best on last real nikka alive about how jay was trying fit on with them.
mobb deep to me were THE premier street hip hop group , and set the standard for guys like the lox, dmx, beanie, state props, cnn, etc sounds and they leaned on wu and nas a lot too
and from those 5 acts, entire movements, and even genres were built.
the entire underground rap industry basically come from these guys and even today the trends they set have become common place in hip hop as almost rules of the genre.
to me, when it comes to nyc hip hop.. the most important influential groups of the 90s were wu, big/puff, nas/mobb deep, jay-z. an entire industry was built aroundthese guys and would spawn COUNTLESS imitators while they all took pieces from each other pretty much.
for example nas illmatic wasnt really influential on anyones sound, which was really borrowing the sounds of tribe, gangstarr, etc but the lyrics were influential to other emcees in the ny area which cant be underestimated
im pretty sure that the entire nyc mid 90s crew (wu, bad boy, nas, mobb,jay,etc) all bit off each other here and there,
cuban linx didnt set the industry on fire but it influenced every artist in the immediate genre. rza was a trendsetter in the same sphere as puff and had to compete with his sound. the resulting marriage made all i need THE rnb/rap prototype.
tho i would same CREAM itself is prolly the most influential song IN hip hop as the idea of getting money in hip hop has now become 1 in thesame.
no way out was an influential album that jay and nas and even wu would use pieces from to fit into the changing commercial landscape (from city is mine to chez chez laghost)
blueprint set the soul sample wave but was influenced directly from supreme clientele. nas said it best on last real nikka alive about how jay was trying fit on with them.
mobb deep to me were THE premier street hip hop group , and set the standard for guys like the lox, dmx, beanie, state props, cnn, etc sounds and they leaned on wu and nas a lot too
and from those 5 acts, entire movements, and even genres were built.
the entire underground rap industry basically come from these guys and even today the trends they set have become common place in hip hop as almost rules of the genre.
The Block is Hot?
Nah breh. I think you might just hear Missy in everything :prodigylol:
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whatever album "Don't Like" from Cheif Keef was on. Birthed a whole lot of drill rappers