Full Post-Ether Interview with an Emotional Jay Z on Hot 97

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Ziggiy said:
What people have to understand is that the way Nas handled the entire battle, from start to finish, is what ultimately led to him not only winning, but being PERCIEVED overall as the victor. Jay-Z's Takeover is a classic diss record, hell like be said himself its a "figure four leg lock" a lessor MC DOES NOT come back from Takeover (I.e. Prodigy)

But Jay-Z did NOT PREPARE himself to go 12 rounds. Chalk this up to arrogance, over-confidence, thinking he had the golden bullet in smashing Carmen, or what have you.

Nas took all "surprise" out of the "you know who did you know what" line in a Source interview MONTHS before Ether-Superugly when he candidly explained that that specific line was code for "I banged your baby mother". People tend to rewrite history either due to ignorance or lack of proper research but Nas was NOT somewhere being quiet as a church mouse while people were hailing him as "dead". The TRUTH of the matter is that within two weeks of Jay's SummerJam call out Nas dropped the Stillmatic freestyle. The Stillmatic freestyle is what caused Jay to write the additional bars going at Nas on Takeover (he explains this in a 2009 XXL cover story on the Making Of Blueprint) Nas admitted that he really gave no fukks about Jay's Summer Jam diss, but the streets were buzzing and Jungle wouldn't allow him NOT to respond (he speaks on this in both the MTV Sway interview he and Jay did jointly in 2005 as well as his recent Behind The Music episode) so he responded.

Nas already showed he was ready for war but he didn't show his BEST hand until A). It was time for Stillmatic to drop and it was on HIS terms and B). The initial hype from Takeover's early year release died down. Then he dropped his napalm bomb....

The Hot 97 poll was actually MUCH more in Nas's favor according to Fat Joe, who was there at Hot 97 the day the poll was going on, he claims that Angie was screening calls in Jay's favor so that it wouldn't be lopsided. Take that as you will...

Jay was, according Beanie Sigel, stumbled by Ether. He couldn't come up with a response. According to Irv Gotti, Jay was depressed becuase people were shouting out "fukk JAY-Z!" At him as SOON as Ether dropped. Again, Jay wasn't ready for REAL WAR. It was Irv who lit the fire under Jay to record Super ugly as fast as possible to have a response out there to attempt to stem the tide in Nas's favor.

After Super ugly failed to gain proper traction and the poll was conducted, New York decided that Nas won. Jay immediately went on his pity party spree while Nas went into boss mode. The two concurrent interviews are widely available to listen too, we all know how each MC hanged themselves during this period. Jay HANDLED HIMSELF like a loser, which is if that's how your going to portray YOURSELF is how others are going to view you.

Nas didnt get overly emotional until a year later, when hot 97 wouldn't allow him to hang the Jay-Z robot. Again, he was more angry at the Hot 97 bias then he was at Jay. The video has recently leaked of what the hanging would've entailed, its clear that Nas was going for the end of Jay's career. For better or worse, it didn't go down and we got the infamous Power 105 rant. Again LISTENING to the interview Nas's beef is clearly with Hot 97, he disses Flex (take the cizzock out his mizzouth) Angie (she's getting slaughtered in the ratings, they begged me to come up there to save her job) and their payola system. He wasn't stuttering and stammering about "did I deserve that?" Or how "vulgar" it was or any of that. Its actually one of his more clear and precise interviews of that time...


Again all.of this is to show that attitude and the way one carries themselves had just as much impact on the outcome of that battle as did the actual disses. Nas handled himself almost perfectly in the way he mapped out the battle. Jay didn't have anything left after Takeover, he played his best hand and thought it was a wrap, which was ultimately to his detriment.

The REAL fascinating aspect of this entire thing is that both Jay-Z and Nas were such phenomenonal MC's that BOTH could survive wh wouldve been career killers for other rappers. THATS why in the end its the greatest battle of all time, because even though there was indeed a clear winner (Nas) the loser (Jay) didn't really LOSE anything but some cool points and a few knocks off his ego. Both of them dropped classics afterwards and have since reconciled and gone on to bigger and better things for the betterment of the genre and culture..

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Even live on the flex hot 97 interview fans were shytin on jay and biggin up nas. N1ggas from Brooklyn. Dudes stay tryna rewrite history. Jay and Rosenberg talkin about the beat is wack. I'm like n1gga ether was about stickin a sharp needle thru ya soul. Fukk the beat.
 
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Nasir played the whole thing to perfection. Set the trap with the Stillmatic freestyle. Got Jay to empty his clip on Takeover. Came back with Ether and had Jay crying on the radio. Jay tried to fire back with Supa Ugly which didn't get any real traction. Then Nas broke the whole beef down to science on Last Real nikka Alive. Outlined the roots of all Jay's insecurities, put him in his place like yeah you was successful, yeah you crossed over, but you were never a part of the movement like BIG, Wu, and Nas. You came in at the tail end and rode BIG's coattails. That was the nail in the coffin and really made Jay look petty and foolish.

I'm a fan of both, admittedly a bigger Nas fan, but come on man Jay got burned every step of the way.
 
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Mike Wins said:
Nasir played the whole thing to perfection. Set the trap with the Stillmatic freestyle. Got Jay to empty his clip on Takeover. Came back with Ether and had Jay crying on the radio. Jay tried to fire back with Supa Ugly which didn't get any real traction. Then Nas broke the whole beef down to science on Last Real nikka Alive. Outlined the roots of all Jay's insecurities, put him in his place like yeah you was successful, yeah you crossed over, but you were never a part of the movement like BIG, Wu, and Nas. You came in at the tail end and rode BIG's coattails. That was the nail in the coffin and really made Jay look petty and foolish.

I'm a fan of both, admittedly a bigger Nas fan, but come on man Jay got burned every step of the way.
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Jay just didn't realize what he was getting into. He was playing checkers while nas was playing chess.
 
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the cac mamba said:
for the record, nas hanging that jay effigy would be arguably the GOAT hip hop moment

it disgusts me when jay stans say he won. tied? maybe. but this dude didnt win shyt:russ:
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i fukk with charlamagne tha god but i really wanna jump on the radio/podcast when ever he's staning jay z
 
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nineteeneightysix said:
Think about somebody in your profession/craft/whatever that you truly admire, and this person has had a real influence on how you do what you do...

Putting all the financial success aside, you want this person to respect you as an ARTIST like him (not all that fake "I like him because he is a good businessman/hustler garbage), basically your soul needs this person to validate your craft, and put his stamp of approval on it...You need this happen...

So you make attempts to collaborate and break bread with your "artistic hero," and you have all money in the world to make this happen...

Unfortunately, this person rejects you...Over time you become bitter, and when you reach the height of your popularity in the game, you start thinking to yourself, "F+ck him, I am rich, I am the hottest thing right now, I can destroy this person, everybody loves me"

So, You go on a full out war with this person, and instead of you getting the best of him, he exposes your true identity, and the useless motive for this beef...

He reminds you that even with all the financial success you have, he is still your father, and he can spank you whenever he wishes, because ARTISTICALLY, you are still not on his level, and to make matters worse, the public agrees with him...

To understand why "Ether" is so effective, you have to think about it this way...

Look at what is happening with the Muslims and Jews, it is because of "Ether" a.k.a rejection from somebody you admire and respect...

Have you read "The Great Gatsby" that's another example of why the theme of "Ether" is so effective...

Have you watched "Casino" DeNiro was in love with Sharon Stone's character and willing to give her everything she wanted, but she rejected him for some no good loser, again, this why the theme of "Ether" is so effective...

If you don't understand why "Ether" is so "vulgar" and demoralizing, thank your fortune, because people who have felt it know how deeply it hurts...

It burns the soul...
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