FSU 2024-2025: The thread title equivalent of players's nameplate being removed off the back of their jerseys by the HC.
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Lucky_Lefty
Dreams Are Colder Than Death...
Hey gang!
Been driving all day. Just got back to Houston from visiting the family in Orlando. I have a lot to say after I get some rest.
He looked good in the fourth when the training wheels were taken off. As well I only saw one play where a wr actually got separation but he underthrew that one.
Mike has to really decide what kind of program and coach he wants to be. He's done a great job of instilling some semblance of pride back into FSU despite some incredibly embarrassing losses along the way (e.g., Jacksonville State). However, this dude is making 10 million dollars a year now, and when I ask myself are we doing everything possible to position ourselves to win it all, the answer is a resounding no. We are simply too inefficient or ineffective in regards to recruiting, the coaching staff, and so forth.
He has to decide if he is going to be a coach that is okay with being a 8-9-10 win level coach, or a coach that is in the title hunt most years? The latter is going to require a significant upgrade in the coaching staff, a recruiting philosophy change with more emphasis on high school recruiting, getting a better OC (Norvell is hella overrated as a playcaller/offensive mind), etc.
The GT game was a culmination of these things: incredibly poor LB recruiting by Shannon has resulted in us basically having no legit lb's. Fuller is not a DC that is going to fashion a great defense without an exceedingly high talent pool. He's just not. DL/DE was ass. Odell has underwhelmed in the recruiting recently too and it shows. We don't scheme anyone open or set any plays up or anything. I don't even know what I would say Norvell does well as a playcaller. It's certainly not managing the clock or putting players in a position to succeed. Our offense last year should have been awesome, but it was "good" and I wouldn't even say it was good by FSU standards.
If Norvell is unwilling to become the beady eyed shark of the coach we need due to some moral grandstanding, loyalty to his mostly mediocre staff, if he does not want to be the coach that blows kids phones up all week, etc., it's not going to work here longterm. Moreover, he also does this thing where certain games, he just does not take them seriously. He will sit guys that could've played in that game, or essentially plays backups major snaps the whole game, and it carries over to the players. He's done it several times in his tenure here (see Jacksonville St/Pitt last year). Dude did not take GT seriously. Consequently, the players did not either. They came out flat and unprepared to play on either side of the ball.
A lot of the decision making is non-sensical. For instance, why even go out and DJ? Like, what does that serve? Does it move the program closer to the title? DJ has never shown himself to be a player that you can say, "Here's the rock, go win us the game." He needs a highly functioning team around him, and we find ourselves dependent upon players like Kentron Poitier
. We didn't even go after players like Evan Stewart when they hit the portal, so what was the point? If we will suck either way because we don't have enough around DJ, we may as well have played Brock or Luke.
I will put it like this, in the context of College Football 25 coaching archetypes, Mike is really a motivator type of coach. That's his biggest strength: he's the same energetic guy everyday and the players respond to that. However, he hasn't been able to parlay that into sustained recruiting success. Additionally, he's spent a lot of XP on the "talent developer" tree, so that his second best coaching quality. He has a good eye for talent, particularly in the portal.
But, we are too deep into the Norvell regime still be running out guys like Jeremiah Byers and Jackson West. That's an idnictment on Norvell that we are.
He has to decide if he is going to be a coach that is okay with being a 8-9-10 win level coach, or a coach that is in the title hunt most years? The latter is going to require a significant upgrade in the coaching staff, a recruiting philosophy change with more emphasis on high school recruiting, getting a better OC (Norvell is hella overrated as a playcaller/offensive mind), etc.
The GT game was a culmination of these things: incredibly poor LB recruiting by Shannon has resulted in us basically having no legit lb's. Fuller is not a DC that is going to fashion a great defense without an exceedingly high talent pool. He's just not. DL/DE was ass. Odell has underwhelmed in the recruiting recently too and it shows. We don't scheme anyone open or set any plays up or anything. I don't even know what I would say Norvell does well as a playcaller. It's certainly not managing the clock or putting players in a position to succeed. Our offense last year should have been awesome, but it was "good" and I wouldn't even say it was good by FSU standards.
If Norvell is unwilling to become the beady eyed shark of the coach we need due to some moral grandstanding, loyalty to his mostly mediocre staff, if he does not want to be the coach that blows kids phones up all week, etc., it's not going to work here longterm. Moreover, he also does this thing where certain games, he just does not take them seriously. He will sit guys that could've played in that game, or essentially plays backups major snaps the whole game, and it carries over to the players. He's done it several times in his tenure here (see Jacksonville St/Pitt last year). Dude did not take GT seriously. Consequently, the players did not either. They came out flat and unprepared to play on either side of the ball.
A lot of the decision making is non-sensical. For instance, why even go out and DJ? Like, what does that serve? Does it move the program closer to the title? DJ has never shown himself to be a player that you can say, "Here's the rock, go win us the game." He needs a highly functioning team around him, and we find ourselves dependent upon players like Kentron Poitier
. We didn't even go after players like Evan Stewart when they hit the portal, so what was the point? If we will suck either way because we don't have enough around DJ, we may as well have played Brock or Luke.I will put it like this, in the context of College Football 25 coaching archetypes, Mike is really a motivator type of coach. That's his biggest strength: he's the same energetic guy everyday and the players respond to that. However, he hasn't been able to parlay that into sustained recruiting success. Additionally, he's spent a lot of XP on the "talent developer" tree, so that his second best coaching quality. He has a good eye for talent, particularly in the portal.
But, we are too deep into the Norvell regime still be running out guys like Jeremiah Byers and Jackson West. That's an idnictment on Norvell that we are.
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