Fox News and Deception

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

It's sad when you have to doubt the news....

 

[Type Username Here]

I have yet to hear that any plot/scatter tool is limited in changing either axis.

This is intentionally done.

 

[KingpinOG]

I'll say this, fox is more likely to outright lie and distort shyt

What are you basing that on?

 

[KingpinOG]

The shyt you guys are posting isn't even that big of a deal.

What about the time CBS News used forged documents to claim George W. Bush went AWOL from the National Guard in a story a month before the election? What about ABC News falsely claiming that the Aurora, Colorado shooter was a member of the Tea Party? What about Paul Krugman from the New York Times falsely blaming the Tea Party for the shooting of Gabbie Giffords? What about Rachel Maddow from MSNBC falsely claiming that a Republican congressman had advanced knowledge of the Oklahoma City bombing and didn't tell anyone?

When Fox News does something like that let me know..........

 

[daze23]

I have yet to hear that any plot/scatter tool is limited in changing either axis.

Top Picks (Most Requested Statistics) : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

it's a way to graph things where you're only showing the pertinent data. the x-axis is dependent on what time frame you're looking at, and the y-axis is dependent on the values of those data points. the highest and lowest values for y are set to be the upper and lower limits of the y-axis

it all depends on what you're trying to show with your graph. if you're trying to show the change between data points, extending the scale to make it 'flat' won't help that. that was what Fox did with the graph in my thread (besides the clear error of putting 8.6 above 8.8). they extended the scale on the top and bottom to make it look more flat, but extending the scale was totally unnecessary because none of the data points fell into the range it was extended to

the graph in this thread is dubious IMO just because it's a bar graph used to compare two data points. I think most people can see the difference between two numbers without the visual help of a graph. that combined with the scale they used does make it seem like they were trying to mislead (not to mention their track record with this sort of thing). but ultimately people need to learn how to read a graph

 

[TLOL is back]

it's not just "a data plotter", it's this specific online Bureau of Labor Statistics data plotter. you can set the range of the x-axis by choosing a time frame, but the graph in question shows uses the whole year for a time frame (the same time frame used in Fox's graph), not some arbitrary time frame. you cannot set the range on the y-axis. it is set by whatever the high and low data points are. I guess you could argue that they could chose certain dates to get certain high and low data points, but again the time frame they uses was all the data from 2011, not some arbitrary time frame (and again, it's the same time frame used by Fox's graph)

my point is that if you graph the unemployment data from 2011 with that data plotter, the graph will look the same no matter what. it's funny that you move the bar to what "they did". don't forget the context of that thread. in that thread the graph Fox used was not just 'misleading' or 'deceptive', it was straight up wrong. it had 8.6 being greater than 8.8, as well as a rather dubious scale being used. that incorrect graph used the Bureau of Labor Statistics for it's source. so naturally the actual graph from the Bureau of Labor Statistics was used for comparison (and obviously no data plotter is going to put 8.6 above 8.8). but don't twist that to say that the graph from the data plotter was something that was created to make Obama look good, when that's how that data plotter will plot that data no matter what

That doesn't mean its not misleading. I don't care enough to look into it, so I'll take your word that the data plotter automatically plotted it that way. Its still misleading regardless. Just like the graph in this thread is misleading:

I semi-agree the graph in this thread is the same thing. unlike Fox's graph in my thread, the one here is not 'wrong' in any way. but Fox's graphs are not being churned out by a data plotter than is just concerned with fitting all the data points into a certain space. they obviously take time to make them look a certain way

So your claim is that its not the same thing because of intent? Okay, but they are are just as misleading to the viewer regardless of intent. .