Former Special Ops soldiers say stop admiring military influencers (David Goggins, etc) -- "We're sociopaths/serial killers"

[Charlie Hustle]

Goggins is the perfect for corporate cash cow. He has the title, the story, and the look.

I wouldn’t want him in my unit because I don’t like doing PT and he seems like the guy who would do a 5 mile battalion run on a Friday before a holiday.

Part of good leadership is more than exercising and motivation. It’s a part of it. Not all.

Yeah I rather not don’t know who’s lurking.

Sounds like you have a pretty cushy MOS

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

Anyone who’s donned the uniform for a nice amount of time, even if they never served in SOF or Group, no not to take them nikkas serious, especially Goggins. He just comes across as one of them try hard ass dudes who code switches like shyt

Goggins is just a workout warrior who's good at public speaking.

fitness achievements and SEAL qual aside, his backstory isn't too much more run of the mill than you'd find from plenty of people in the military, especially blacks from not so black places.

He probably should've been retained by the Navy to be a full time recruiter/representative because of how polished his gimmick is...dudes like him would've gotten way farther with recruiting than that two moms shyt.

 

[Wiseborn]

Goggins is just a workout warrior who's good at public speaking.

fitness achievements and SEAL qual aside, his backstory isn't too much more run of the mill than you'd find from plenty of people in the military, especially blacks from not so black places.

He probably should've been retained by the Navy to be a full time recruiter/representative because of how polished his gimmick is...dudes like him would've gotten way farther with recruiting than that two moms shyt.

I don’t want to dump on the guy too much but he didn’t even do much in the schoolhouse.

There’s something about his personality. He hid in training slots had plenty of time to compete in the GWOT years and did a decent amount of staff duty. He doesn’t seem to have spent much time in a Platoon.

Seen it in group a dude might get a tab but seen as a non performer but meets the standard so he gets kicked up to Group HQ and they worked in the commo section with me low key bossing around the non tabs.

 

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I don’t want to dump on the guy too much but he didn’t even do much in the schoolhouse.

There’s something about his personality. He hid in training slots had plenty of time to compete in the GWOT years and did a decent amount of staff duty. He doesn’t seem to have spent much time in a Platoon.

Seen it in group a dude might get a tab but seen as a non performer but meets the standard so he gets kicked up to Group HQ and they worked in the commo section with me low key bossing around the non tabs.

We're not really putting smut on his name, just calling it for what it is.

But in general, he's a much better representative for the service than a lot of these guys who've used their 1 or 2 enlistments to push their way onto podcasts, sell beard oil,shytty workout gear,coffee and "supplements"...while leaning into conservative talking points and racist sentiments

If this dude worked at Home Depot, he'd be on the same time of time.

 

[Yaboysix]

A breh I went to boot camp with ended up becoming a seal. I chilled with him and his seal buddies a couple of times at his house. Watching football and shyt.

They were all mad cool but…. They were dangerous. One time I came over and my breh told me to just come in when I come over. I came down the basement steps to his man cave and him and his seal brehs were down there already.

Apparently they were having a serious discussion about some dirt they did before and I half ass startled them when I popped up. Them dudes turned to me at the same time and they were all in motion. One breh picked up a pool cue and was about to throw that shyt like a javelin. The other cac had smooth threw his glass cup full of liquor in my direction and the Hispanic seal did some combat roll and was charging me


I was

My boot camp homie had to call the dogs off. I was food for real. After that they realized I was supposed to be there it was like a light switch flipped and they acted like that shyt never happened. I was

Nygga ... I hope you stopped hanging with them Nyggas, that shyt ain't normal

 

[Wiseborn]

We're not really putting smut on his name, just calling it for what it is.

But in general, he's a much better representative for the service than a lot of these guys who've used their 1 or 2 enlistments to push their way onto podcasts, sell beard oil,shytty workout gear,coffee and "supplements"...while leaning into conservative talking points and racist sentiments

If this dude worked at Home Depot, he'd be on the same time of time.

wow shots fired at Mat Best.

 

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wow shots fired at Mat Best.

that whole realm of vet bro youtube/podcast universe is choc full of them dudes....If it's not selling their tactical training program, it's shytty workout gear with skulls or viking/predator graphics, sketchy CBD/Workout supplements or beard/hair products......or coffee

The one thing that i'll give Andrew Bustamante for his grift is that he actually gives a more nuanced macro level viewpoint of the things they talk about...despite him purposely feeding into the conspiracy theory/doomsday themes they promote.

 

[Wiseborn]

Damn you’re going at all of them. Yeah the everyday spy guy had a junior spy academy complete with Marine Raider driver instructors, That’s been way scaled down to a few team building events and him going on podcasts to talk about “body language secrets” and why Trump is right about China while low key saying Trump is an idiot without saying it.

Again going back to the racism all of those nikkas are on the kooky side of Alex Jones style Magat shyt.

 

[Wiseborn]

that whole realm of vet bro youtube/podcast universe is choc full of them dudes....If it's not selling their tactical training program, it's shytty workout gear with skulls or viking/predator graphics, sketchy CBD/Workout supplements or beard/hair products......or coffee

The one thing that i'll give Andrew Bustamante for his grift is that he actually gives a more nuanced macro level viewpoint of the things they talk about...despite him purposely feeding into the conspiracy theory/doomsday themes they promote.

one other thing about the Podcasts is all these super Opsec dudes that don’t even mention the words “Delta Force” tell all kinds of small shyt that an intelligence agency could find very useful.

The amount of knowledge a larper on IG or reddit knows about special operations is wild.

 

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I remember hearing about Robert’s Ridge and the whole Lone Survivor story

Cliff Notes

NSW were put into missions they were not able to do

TSGT. Chapman (Air Force CCT, they are really well and highly trained). He was left behind in a firefight . According to the SEALS he was unconscious. Drone footage and his own radio transmissions show he was alive the whole time

SEALS try and block his MOH, just so they can get their Silver Stars

I feel like the NSW had no business in Afghanistan, Look how many war crimes they do

 

[degu9089]

This story is all you need to know. Whole situation is

Murder of Logan Melgar - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[BurstWicks]

This story is all you need to know. Whole situation is

Murder of Logan Melgar - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

how the fukk all of them only get slaps on the wrist for that? mfs need to do LIFE without parole

 

[degu9089]

how the fukk all of them only get slaps on the wrist for that? mfs need to do LIFE without parole

The story’s even worse, this is from a Washington Post article, the reason they chocked him out was to film a local worker in Mali sexually assaulting him while he was knocked out to use as blackmail so he wouldn’t report their embezzlement

Four elite U.S. Special Operations troops charged in the death of a Green Beret soldier in Mali plotted to record him being sexually assaulted as part of a plan to embarrass him through hazing, according to one of the accused service members.

Marine Staff Sgt. Kevin Maxwell said in a written stipulation of facts submitted for the case that the plan included bursting into Army Staff Sgt. Logan Melgar’s bedroom before dawn in the capital city of Bamako with a sledgehammer, choking him until he fell unconscious, tying him up and recording it on video.

Those statements roughly match the testimony of Chief Special Warfare Operator Adam C. Matthews, a former member of the Navy’s SEAL Team 6, who pleaded guilty in the case last month.

But Maxwell, a Marine Raider who was in Bamako to assist the SEALs, also told authorities about the sexual assault plan, according to the stipulation. A copy of it was obtained by The Washington Post and verified with two sources who are familiar with the investigation. They did so on the condition of anonymity, citing the sensitivity of the matter.

The four service members charged in the case were joined in the room by a Malian security guard and a British man who had befriended the Americans, Maxwell told authorities. The security guard was to carry out the sexual assault, while the British national planned to record it on a cellphone, Maxwell wrote. Those accusations have not previously been disclosed.

Melgar, 34, was killed on June 4, 2017, in an attack that took place on his bed as Chief Special Warfare Operator Anthony DeDolph, another member of SEAL Team 6, applied a choke hold and the other service members attempted to restrict him with duct tape, prosecutors have said. The men sought to haze Melgar after months of disagreements between him and DeDolph, according to military documents outlining the case and obtained by The Post.

Brian Bouffard, a civilian defense attorney for Maxwell, declined to discuss Maxwell’s stipulation of facts. But he said his client was friends with Melgar and intends to plead guilty at a court-martial Thursday at Naval Station Norfolk in Virginia to charges that include negligent homicide.

“They committed a prank on Melgar," Bouffard said. "It was a stupid prank, and it was not the kind of prank you or I would want pulled on us. It went bad. Maxwell is eager to accept his role in it.”

Beth Baker, a Navy spokeswoman in Norfolk, declined to comment on the details in Maxwell’s stipulation of facts.

The maximum punishment for negligent homicide includes up to three years in prison, dishonorable discharge and demotion in rank to private, according to military sentencing guidelines.

Matthews, Maxwell, DeDolph and Marine Gunnery Sgt. Mario Madera-Rodriguez were charged with felony murder, involuntary manslaughter, conspiracy, obstruction of justice and hazing. The four men and witnesses who were with them in the hours before the attack joked about sexually assaulting Melgar, according to military documents obtained by The Post. But Maxwell’s stipulation of facts states that the defendants also intended to carry it out.

Matthews pleaded guilty May 16 to lesser charges that include conspiracy to commit assault, unlawful entry, obstruction of justice and violating a general order by committing hazing. DeDolph and Madera-Rodriguez still face court-martial.

Navy Capt. Michael J. Luken, the judge in Matthews’s case, sentenced him to one year in prison, a demotion in rank to special operator second class and a bad-conduct discharge, which will take away most of his medical benefits. Luken left open the possibility of a reduced the sentence if Matthews cooperates with authorities.

Maxwell, in his stipulation of facts, stated that DeDolph was the primary proponent of the plan. As Matthews did in court last month, Maxwell also said that before the assault, the men woke up Melgar’s team leader, Sgt. 1st Class James Morris, asked for permission to haze Melgar and received it. Morris has not been charged in the case, and could not immediately be reached to comment.

DeDolph and Madera-Rodriguez have not entered pleas.

Melgar was a member of 3rd Special Forces Group and had previously deployed to Afghanistan. In court last month, friends and family members described him as committed to the Army and deeply frustrated with the behavior of DeDolph and other SEALs in Mali.

In a victim impact statement, Melgar’s wife, Michelle, told the court last month that she did not care about the length of Matthews’s sentence as long as he was never in a position to commit a similar act again, and that no amount of time would bring her husband back. She also said she is sad that Matthews’s “reckless choices” cost him his career and her husband his life.

“You finally coming forward was the beginning of the end of this mess, and for that I am grateful,” she said. “This has been a nightmare that I would never wish on anyone. I have hurt enough for everyone, and I’m so very sorry that your family will now have to hurt in a similar way as I have. I sincerely hope you make better choices when your day of freedom comes.”

 

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The story’s even worse, this is from a Washington Post article, the reason they chocked him out was to film a local worker in Mali sexually assaulting him while he was knocked out to use as blackmail so he wouldn’t report their embezzlement

In the book Code Over Country, a new Ensign checked into the SEAL team, forgot which one, but that doesn’t matter;


Ensign Penney, a Navy SEAL, took his own life after a traumatic experience during a deployment to St Thomas for a dive exercise

According to reports, the senior NCO in his SEAL platoon got him blackout drunk and sold him to a homosexual in a bar. They told him the next morning

Once he got back to Dam Neck he shot himself in the head. His old teammates would get on the speaker and say “Ensign Pinney report to the Armory to clean your gun”. They said this because the self inflicted gunshot was not instant. He actually got up and walked across his room before dying

 

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All these clout chasing vetbro’s could take a page from this dudes book



Melvin Downes. Would rather hear stories from men like this compared to the alternative