you stay lying like the hoe ass c00n you really are
No one said to kick them out. Not me. Not Hillary.
THE FAR RIGHT WING LITERALLY TELLS YOU WHAT MOTIVATES THEM. CRIME IS RISING. STRIFE IS INCREASING. RUSSIA LITERALLY ADMITTED TO JUICING MIGRANT FLOWS TO DESTABILIZE EUROPE.
But no, here you sissies are queening out over the fact that there IS a limit to rampant migrant and europe was never going to accept all of them.
This shyt is hilarious. Nap is pushing white supremacist ideology, but thinks he's starving them if oxygen. Similarly, he's telling people who are directly opposing white supremacist ideology that they're being pushovers.
You might be happy to know that I took the time to read the link.
Let's establish some things:
-Firstly, the main idea of the article I cited in the OP is that there isn't an illegal immigrant crisis at the Southern border. If you're arguing that illegal immigration is bad and a drain on the economy, we can have that discussion (which we are now), but you should know that this is actually a different subject entirely from the OP.
-I have not argued that illegal immigration has no negative attributes. Saying that immigrants, both legal and illegal, add more to the economy than they extract from it is not the same as saying that all immigrants are perfect, just, and good. It also doesn't mean that there aren't negative impacts on certain subsets of workers. (More on this in a moment.)
-The context of your post was your previous statement:
Sure they very well may pay more taxes in the end. But the fact that they are causing a suppression in wages and working conditions make it a net negative for all workers.
You have nothing to back up your argument that "they are causing a suppression in wages and working conditions mak[ing] it a net negative for all workers."
Not one link, not one source. And you expect us to just trust that you're telling the truth. :bpufedup:
in response, you gave me this link. This link, while insightful , doesn't address the meat of my argument (immigrants, both legal and illegal, add more to the economy than they extract from it).
Why?
YOU SUBSTITUTED "ALL WORKERS" FOR "BLACK WORKERS", WHICH IS DISINGENUOUS.
And...
YOU'VE EFFECTIVELY SWAPPED 150 MILLION FOR 17 MILLION, USING THE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE SMALLER GROUP AS PROOF THAT IT'S A NET NEGATIVE FOR THE ENTIRE GROUP. THAT'S shytTY ARGUMENTATION.
Honestly, I don't have a problem with your source, only to say that I don't take it as proof that we need to start punching down.
We need to punch up.
To me, the question should be: why is the Black community disproportionately represented in the low-skilled labor market, despite being natural-born citizens?
To me, that would raise more questions about the systemic factors that have drained the Black community of economic resources, rather than looking at the short-sighted idea that illegal immigrants taking jobs are a major contributor to high unemployment in the Black community. Unemployment among Blacks has been high for longer than we've had a problem with illegal immigration from the Southern border, believe it or not.
It's been high since f*cking Reconstruction. it's not a new problem.
To me, the question should be: why is the Black community disproportionately represented in the low-skilled labor market, despite being natural-born citizens?
You might be happy to know that I took the time to read the link.
Let's establish some things:
-Firstly, the main idea of the article I cited in the OP is that there isn't an illegal immigrant crisis at the Southern border. If you're arguing that illegal immigration is bad and a drain on the economy, we can have that discussion (which we are now), but you should know that this is actually a different subject entirely from the OP.
-I have not argued that illegal immigration has no negative attributes. Saying that immigrants, both legal and illegal, add more to the economy than they extract from it is not the same as saying that all immigrants are perfect, just, and good. It also doesn't mean that there aren't negative impacts on certain subsets of workers. (More on this in a moment.)
-The context of your post was your previous statement:
in response, you gave me this link. This link, while insightful , doesn't address the meat of my argument (immigrants, both legal and illegal, add more to the economy than they extract from it).
Why?
YOU SUBSTITUTED "ALL WORKERS" FOR "BLACK WORKERS", WHICH IS DISINGENUOUS.
And...
YOU'VE EFFECTIVELY SWAPPED 150 MILLION FOR 17 MILLION, USING THE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE SMALLER GROUP AS PROOF THAT IT'S A NET NEGATIVE FOR THE ENTIRE GROUP. THAT'S shytTY ARGUMENTATION.
Honestly, I don't have a problem with your source, only to say that I don't take it as proof that we need to start punching down.
We need to punch up.
To me, the question should be: why is the Black community disproportionately represented in the low-skilled labor market, despite being natural-born citizens?
To me, that would raise more questions about the systemic factors that have drained the Black community of economic resources, rather than looking at the short-sighted idea that illegal immigrants taking jobs are a major contributor to high unemployment in the Black community. Unemployment among Blacks has been high for longer than we've had a problem with illegal immigration from the Southern border, believe it or not.
It's been high since f*cking Reconstruction. it's not a new problem.
The fact that you claimed to have read that report and still managed to come up with this reply tells me a lot of things.
First you are either blatantly lying about reading it or your poor reading and comprehension skills make it hard for you to understand the concepts being put forth.
That or the fact that you are just so dishonest that you think you can pull the wool over the eyes of everyone else (on your side), knowing that they won’t read it and just accept your word, to further push the narrative.
But, I’m gonna make it easy for everyone and just pull some excerpts from the report and highlight them...
Because most illegal immigrants overwhelmingly seek work in the low skilled labor market and because the black American labor force is so disproportionately concentrated in this same low wage sector, there is little doubt that there is significant overlap in competition for jobs in this sector of the labor market. Given the inordinately high unemployment rates for low skilled black workers (the highest for all racial and ethnic groups for whom data is collected), it is obvious that the major loser in this competition are low skilled black workers.This is not surprising, since if employers have an opportunity to hire illegal immigrant workers, they will always give them preference over legal workers of any race or ethnic background. This is because illegal immigrant workers view low skilled jobs in the American economy as being highly preferable to the job opportunities in their homelands that they have left. A job that pays the federal minimum wage of $7.15 an hour (some states and localities have even higher minimum wages) is often several times higher than the daily wage they could earn in their homelands, if they could get a job at all. Even the worst working conditions in the United States are typically better than what many have experienced before they came to this country. Illegal immigrants, therefore, are often grateful to receive these low wages, and they will do whatever it takes to get these jobs (even if it means living in crowded and substandard living conditions and working under harsh and dangerous conditions).
It is also easier for some employers to exploit illegal immigrant workers by paying them less than the minimum wage and not paying them overtime wages because they are fearful of revealing their vulnerable status if they were to complain. Citizen workers know that paying the minimum wages means that the employer values your work at the lowest level that he/she can legally pay. Furthermore, citizen workers expect labor and safety laws to be enforced because they believe they have legal rights to job protections. It is not that citizen workers will not do the work that illegal immigrants are willing to do. Rather, it is that citizens often will not do the work for the same pay and under the same working conditions as will illegal immigrants—nor should they.
It is not that employers are evil in their willingness to give preference to illegal immigrants. It is that they are pragmatic in their decision making. Illegal immigrants are available because the federal government has chosen to do little to monitor the work sites of the nation. Seldom are any penalties placed on employers who violate the ban against hiring illegal immigrants working even though it has existed since 1986. Moreover, because of this self- imposed impotence by the federal government, employers who try to follow the law are penalized because they must compete with employers who violate the law and benefit by paying lower wages and providing cheaper working conditions that are more profitable to these employers but hazardous to the illegal workers. The status quo, therefore, is a perversity of justice. Law breakers are rewarded while law abiders are punished.
Economists long ago have realized that there is no way to prove or to measure the job displacement of citizens by illegal immigrants. This is because when immigrants (including the large illegal immigrant component) move into a local labor market, citizens tend to move out. Mass immigration has affected the internal migration patterns of citizen workers. As they leave the area or as they drop out of the labor market because they cannot find jobs, immigrants move in to claim the jobs But there is no way to measure the loss since many of the victims are no longer in the local labor market.
As for wage suppression, all studies show that the large infusion of immigrants has depressed the wages of low skilled workers.It is the illegal immigrant component of the immigration flow that has most certainly caused the most damage, but there is no way to isolate their singular harm. But even these studies most likely underestimate the true adverse impact because there is a floor on legal wages set by minimum wage laws that do not allow the market to set the actual wage level. What is known is that wages in the low wage labor market have tended to stagnate for some time. It is not just that the availability of massive numbers of illegal immigrants depress wages, it is the fact that their sheer numbers keep wages from rising over time, and that is the real harm experienced by citizen workers in the low skilled labor market. What is apparent is that the unemployment rates in the low skilled labor market are the highest in the entire national labor force. This means that the low skilled labor market is in a surplus condition. Willing workers are available at existing wage rates. By definition, therefore, illegal immigrants who are overwhelmingly present in that same labor market sector adversely affect the economic opportunities of legal citizen workers because the illegal workers are preferred workers. No group pays a higher penalty for this unfair competition than do low skilled black Americans, given their inordinately high unemployment levels
The willingness of policy makers to tolerate the presence of illegal immigrants in the nation’s labor force exposes a seamy side of the nation’s collective consciousness. Illegal immigrants—who themselves are often exploited even though they may not think so—are allowed to cause harm in the form of unemployment and depressed wages to the most vulnerable workers in the American workforce. The continued reluctance by our national government to get illegal immigrants out of the labor force—and to keep them out—by enforcing the existing sanctions at the work site against employers of illegal immigrants is itself a massive violation of the civil rights of all low skilled workers in the United States and of low skilled black American workers in particular. Illegal immigrants have no right to work in the United States. In fact, they have no right to even be in the country. Enforcing our nation’s labor laws—including the protection of the legal labor force from the presence of illegal immigrant workers—is the civil rights issue of this generation of American workers.
It is time, therefore, to make our immigration laws credible. The way to do this is to adhere to the findings of the U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform chaired by the late Barbara Jordan, who boldly stated what should be the goal of public policy: “The credibility of immigration policy can be measured by a simple yardstick: people who should get in, do get in; people who should not get in, are kept out; and people who are judged deportable, are required to leave.”
No one would benefit more by the adherence to that standard than would low skilled black American workers and their families.
So not only is it talking about all low skilled workers, it’s is highlighting the fact that out of all the low skilled workers, the AA community is hit the hardest.
I'll add you to this as well, since you seem to be just as dishonest and disingenuous as your alter-ego.....
AND FURTHERMORE, the fact that your ending questions were also answered in that report CLEARLY shows (even more) that you have no idea what was actually in that report at all and are so full of shyt that you would rather blatantly lie then to address me in an honest discussion.
But please allow me to pull one more excerpts from the report for you....
Before addressing the specific issue of illegal immigration and its economic effects on black Americans, the broad subject needs to be placed in perspective. No issue has affected the economic well-being of African Americans more than the phenomenon of immigration and its related policy manifestations. Immigration defined the entry experience of the ancestors of most the nation’s contemporary black American community (as slaves who were brought as involuntary immigrants); it placed them disproportionately in the states that today comprise the “South”( at no point in American history has less than half the black population ever lived outside the South); it disproportionately tied them for centuries to the rural sector of the Southern economy, where they were linked with the region’s vast agricultural economy (the black migration out of the South did not begin until after 1915, when the mass immigration of the late 19th and early 20th Centuries from Europe and Asia were cut off by war from 1914–1918 and by restrictive legislation from 1921–1965); and, with the accidental revival of mass immigration in the years since 1965 that has continued to this day, immigration has served largely to marginalize the imperative to address squarely and affirmatively the legacy of the denial of equal economic opportunity that had resulted from the previous centuries of slavery and segregation, which the civil rights movement and legislation of the 1960s sought to redress. In this post-1965 era of mass immigration, no racial or ethnic group has benefited less or been harmed more than the nation’s African American community.
From 1965 to 2007, the foreign-born population of the United States has soared from 8.4 million persons to 39.3 million persons (from being 4.4 percent of the nation’s population to being 12.7 percent). As for origin of this current wave of mass immigration, only 2.5 percent of the nation’s foreign born population in 2000 (when the last Census was conducted) were from Africa [whereas 51 percent were from Latin America (including Mexico and Central America); 25.5 percent were from Asia; and 15.3 percent were from Europe; and the residual from Canada, Australia, New Zealand and various Pacific Islands]. Indeed, by 2004, the surge in immigration led to the replacement for the first time in the nation’s history of black Americans as the nation’s largest minority group by Hispanics, who now hold that distinction. Although black Americans were 13.5 percent of the nation’s native–born population, they were only 7.8 percent of the foreign-born population in 2000. Hispanics, on the other hand, were only 8.5 percent of the native-born population while being 45.2 percent of the foreign-born population.
SHieeet.......Half of that was in the fukkin abstract...there is no excuse for your blatant dishonesty.
The fact that you claimed to have read that report and still managed to come up with this reply tells me a lot of things.
First you are either blatantly lying about reading it or your poor reading and comprehension skills make it hard for you to understand the concepts being put forth.
That or the fact that you are just so dishonest that you think you can pull the wool over the eyes of everyone else (on your side), knowing that they won’t read it and just accept your word, to further push the narrative.
As for wage suppression, all studies show that the large infusion of immigrants has depressed the wages of low skilled workers.It is the illegal immigrant component of the immigration flow that has most certainly caused the most damage, but there is no way to isolate their singular harm. But even these studies most likely underestimate the true adverse impact because there is a floor on legal wages set by minimum wage laws that do not allow the market to set the actual wage level. What is known is that wages in the low wage labor market have tended to stagnate for some time. It is not just that the availability of massive numbers of illegal immigrants depress wages, it is the fact that their sheer numbers keep wages from rising over time, and that is the real harm experienced by citizen workers in the low skilled labor market.
Have immigrants taken jobs from and lowered wages for American blue-collar workers?
The short answer:
Economists disagree whether or how much an influx of immigrants depresses wages. Some have found that new immigrants depress wages for certain groups, such as teenagers or workers with a high school diploma or less. Others say the overall effect on the economy is tiny, and an influx of immigrant workers vitalizes the economy overall.
Either way, the forces driving wage reductions for blue-collar workers go far beyond immigration.
It is true that wages for low-wage workers have declined — they fell 5 percent from 1979 to 2013. That may not seem like a huge drop, but during that same period, the hourly wages of high-wage workers rose 41 percent, according to the Economic Policy Institute.
However, economists disagree over whether an influx of immigrant labor caused or contributed to declining blue-collar jobs and wages.
In other words, it's one thing to say that illegal immigration can suppress wages and job opportunities for native-born citizens; it's another thing entirely to say that that's the most pertinent factor impacting wages.
I specifically chose a story from before the administration so that it wouldn't be shot down with the current politics of the situation.
furthermore, my report that I dropped was focusing mainly on ILLEGAL immigrants...even in the parts you highlighted in my text says that. while you are still using immigrants (legal immigrants) in your reply.
for the 1000000th time, STOP CONFLATING the two.
also, I never said it was the sole issue causing the stagnation of wages. and if I did, show me so I can correct myself...because I don't think that is the case at all.
but y'all are fighting this so much that you just can't accept that illegal immigration is just plain BAD for our society and economy.
whether the issue is bad, slightly bad or completely horrible, there is no reason to fight against it except for doing it politically. and that just shows your clear agenda.
In other words, it's one thing to say that illegal immigration can suppress wages and job opportunities for native-born citizens; it's another thing entirely to say that that's the most pertinent factor impacting wages.
no, allow me to fix that for you .......it's one thing to say that illegal immigration DOES suppress wages and job opportunities, and it is entirely something different to say that it is the most pertinent fact.
the fact that it is a factor by any means, should be reason enough to be against it.
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Nap going full white nationalist.
All it took was one memo from the old white lady.
India uber alles
, doesn't address the meat of my argument (immigrants, both legal and illegal, add more to the economy than they extract from it). 
it's not a new problem. 
