Flying Lotus is going off on twitter right now about producers' rights, fires shot at Future

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1984 said:
exactly...whos enfused to produce for some up and coming rappers mixtape that is going to be downloaded on datoiff for free and no money will come from it?

i dont do shyt for free as a producer anymore cause i got to eat pay rent pay bills etc. if I relied solely on producing for other artists for income thats not a good thing. if i believe in your talent i will work with you...for sure. but thats only if I believe in ya.

this is one of the reasons the avenues for money in hip hop is so small
edm festivals have millions of dollars put into them
5 stages each
100 acts over a weekend
people come from all over the world to them
meanwhile there are less than 10 hip hop headliners that can tour arenas or even sell them out.

we got to go where the money is...why do you think edm is blowing up more and hip hop is stagnating? theres no growth its not worth getting into as a lucrative career.
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:wow: this..... to the max

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Rap nikkas swear that if a producer gives them a free beat, it will help the producers career lol
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"i cannot pay you right now but i can gve you some exposure fam ! "

*checks out dude's social medias, see less than 100 followers combined*

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CrimsonTider said:
Guys like you dont understand.
A person thats demanding the paperwork is right won't get work because there are plenty of others willing to get in the room on a handshake agreement
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Nah man once you get to a certain level you shot got to be right. This nikka is known and has a lot of great work. Why succumb to street game when he ain't doesn't even make street music like that. Or in that world even.

Smarten up always. He has to know or have see. Other producers and people in general life get got for not having there shyt in check financially.
 
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1984 said:
exactly...whos enfused to produce for some up and coming rappers mixtape that is going to be downloaded on datoiff for free and no money will come from it?

i dont do shyt for free as a producer anymore cause i got to eat pay rent pay bills etc. if I relied solely on producing for other artists for income thats not a good thing. if i believe in your talent i will work with you...for sure. but thats only if I believe in ya.

this is one of the reasons the avenues for money in hip hop is so small
edm festivals have millions of dollars put into them
5 stages each
100 acts over a weekend
people come from all over the world to them
meanwhile there are less than 10 hip hop headliners that can tour arenas or even sell them out.

we got to go where the money is...why do you think edm is blowing up more and hip hop is stagnating? theres no growth its not worth getting into as a lucrative career.
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I think you are exaggerating the growth of "EDM", and stagnation of hiphop. Not EDM festivals, where big names make big money but for the average artist.

Hiphop/rnb has been growing for the past few years compared with other genres (rock, metal, country and, pop). Since hiphop is the most streamed genre out, which is why rappers/rnb singers are getting these nice exclusive deals.


The big difference between hiphop and EDM is that EDM festivals are like night clubs. I've been to festivals where I've been on something and just turnt up doesn't matter if the Dj had big hits or if it was an semi-unknown dj playing raw music no one knew of. So basically it's big expensive parties, the Dj's are not even playing their own music often. So there's like a 10000 dj's that can play other peoples music in the same way (which is why Just Blaze or whoever can be an EDM dj). But they are not moving any units, only the very few dj's with pop hits even get streams.

So the dynamics are completely different. Hiphop is a lot more acquired taste, we go to a Vince Staples show to see him and only him. That doesn't mean that we also want to see Young Thug, Desiigner or Doug E Fresh. It's basically the same for all genres, except EDM and perhaps Metal.
 
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#WallyWisdom said:
Furthermore. If Metro Boomin had the following he could do a Metro Boomin Ft. Future - the industry isn't built like that. Metro Boomin isn't selling out shows, he could if he went that way but he isn't
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He actually is selling out shows Breh and doing his own thing

quit spreading lies
 
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Piff Perkins said:
He's not wrong. Right now producers and engineers are the shadow behind the throne of a lot of major rappers. Thugger wouldn't be Thugger without his engineer; I wish I could post some of the un-mixed/unmastered/demos of Thugger that I've heard. It's incomprehensible. Like a thousand piece puzzle that is later put together by a genius.

The problem is that local scenes outside of a few places are dying. All the jobs that prop up the genre - engineers, producers, mixers, musicians - are getting fukked.
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His engineer isn't some unknown mystery. His engineer is Alex Tumay he talks about the process all the time on Twitter
 
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to echo some other folks in here..shyt is just different now. Technology has bridged the gap and allowed waaay more people to be involved in electronic music. In the 90s, you needed at least 1500 to even own a beat machine, or you may have consistent access to one if you were fortunate. The sheer cost to make decent rap music filtered out a LOT of potential participants. shyt was just way more expensive, so the music and beats created from this equipment was ultimately more valuable because of the COST of production. But today, a $150 laptop and some cracked software goes a lot further than say $5000 did in the 90s. Once everybody has access, value decreases. Remember Timbo charging 100K per beat? Those days are long gone. I think songwriting still has value, because the tools are pretty much the same as they were in the 90s. You didn't need 1500 to write a good song. Technology has made creation and access of intellectual property more possible, but has ultimately decreased it's value. So, there are 2000 beats from 200 producers to chose from rather than 50 beats from 4. Bottom line, this is not something you should do just for money lol.
 
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Deoji said:
to echo some other folks in here..shyt is just different now. Technology has bridged the gap and allowed waaay more people to be involved in electronic music. In the 90s, you needed at least 1500 to even own a beat machine, or you may have consistent access to one if you were fortunate. The sheer cost to make decent rap music filtered out a LOT of potential participants. shyt was just way more expensive, so the music and beats created from this equipment was ultimately more valuable because of the COST of production. But today, a $150 laptop and some cracked software goes a lot further than say $5000 did in the 90s. Once everybody has access, value decreases. Remember Timbo charging 100K per beat? Those days are long gone. I think songwriting still has value, because the tools are pretty much the same as they were in the 90s. You didn't need 1500 to write a good song. Technology has made creation and access of intellectual property more possible, but has ultimately decreased it's value. So, there are 2000 beats from 200 producers to chose from rather than 50 beats from 4. Bottom line, this is not something you should do just for money lol.
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true, the most creative approach in the music business is Frank Dukes. he plays out some stuff, open for sampling, then its up to the purchaser to use him further or just pay for the use of the sample

this is a guy thats been around for over 10 years, and in the past year has credits with Kanye/Future and Drake. his model is very interesting “I Want to Evolve”: Frank Dukes on the Past, Present & Future of Sampling - DJBooth Article
 
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