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Money still central sticking Money still central sticking point in Mayweather-Pacquiao negotiations
BY CHRIS MANNIX
Posted: Fri Dec. 5, 2014 4:45PM
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Life Comes Next Moment: Pacquiao: 'It is a fight I want'
Manny Pacquiao wants the long-anticipated fight against Floyd Mayweather to happen sooner rather than later.
NEW YORK -- With the buzz for a potential super fight between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao once again reaching a fever pitch, there continue to be indications that the finances of this anticipated showdown will be a significant obstacle. According to a source close to Mayweather, if a Pacquiao fight were to happen, Mayweather would need to receive close to two-thirds of the revenue.
In a telephone interview with SI.com, Pacquiao’s promoter, Bob Arum, disputed the number. Arum declined to discuss specifics of the split but said he has been in contact with CBS CEO Les Moonves this week -- CBS is the parent company of Showtime, which has an exclusive deal with Mayweather -- and that "based on my conversations, that is not accurate."
by Jeff Wagenheim
Negotiations between Top Rank and CBS have continued after disappointing pay-per-view numbers for Manny Pacquiao’s welterweight title defense against Chris Algieri last month have come in. According to Arum, Pacquiao-Algieri generated just over 400,000 pay-per-view buys, while industry sources say that number is somewhere between 350,000 and 375,000.
Still, Arum insists that he is not unhappy with the fight’s performance at the box office.
"It’s good for a fight that takes place in Macau," Arum said. "If it takes place out of the U.S., that’s an automatic 40-50 percent reduction. There is no ESPN around the clock, not all the media is involved. In the U.S., that fight does 700-800,000 buys. This goes back to ancient times. The worst performing fight in the Ali-Frazier trilogy was the Thrilla in Manila because it took place outside the country. Even the Ali-Foreman fight didn’t perform that well in closed circuit in the U.S. People say, 'Well why are you doing it?' It’s because of the tremendous amount that we make in China."
by Jeff Wagenheim
Recently, promoter M. Akbar Muhammad, a boxing executive and one of the principals of an Abu Dhabi-based investment group, offered a $110 million purse to Mayweather and combined purses of $200 million for the right to stage Pacquiao-Mayweather in the United Arab Emirates. Arum says that while he has not seen the proposal, he has no objection to the fight taking place abroad.
"If Mayweather signs on, if the deal with us is OK, we have no objection to fighting in Abu Dhabi," Arum said. "Do I know whether it is real, if it’s real money, of course not. I'm not paying any attention to it. Until they get Mayweather, there is no reason to. There is an awful lot of oil money in the Middle East, and there are people who don’t care about making a profit, but do it for other reasons."
Thats way too much... floyd giving out a demand that manny would turn down.. close to 2/3 or nothing is crazy
BY CHRIS MANNIX
Posted: Fri Dec. 5, 2014 4:45PM
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Life Comes Next Moment: Pacquiao: 'It is a fight I want'
Manny Pacquiao wants the long-anticipated fight against Floyd Mayweather to happen sooner rather than later.
NEW YORK -- With the buzz for a potential super fight between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao once again reaching a fever pitch, there continue to be indications that the finances of this anticipated showdown will be a significant obstacle. According to a source close to Mayweather, if a Pacquiao fight were to happen, Mayweather would need to receive close to two-thirds of the revenue.
In a telephone interview with SI.com, Pacquiao’s promoter, Bob Arum, disputed the number. Arum declined to discuss specifics of the split but said he has been in contact with CBS CEO Les Moonves this week -- CBS is the parent company of Showtime, which has an exclusive deal with Mayweather -- and that "based on my conversations, that is not accurate."
by Jeff Wagenheim
Negotiations between Top Rank and CBS have continued after disappointing pay-per-view numbers for Manny Pacquiao’s welterweight title defense against Chris Algieri last month have come in. According to Arum, Pacquiao-Algieri generated just over 400,000 pay-per-view buys, while industry sources say that number is somewhere between 350,000 and 375,000.
Still, Arum insists that he is not unhappy with the fight’s performance at the box office.
"It’s good for a fight that takes place in Macau," Arum said. "If it takes place out of the U.S., that’s an automatic 40-50 percent reduction. There is no ESPN around the clock, not all the media is involved. In the U.S., that fight does 700-800,000 buys. This goes back to ancient times. The worst performing fight in the Ali-Frazier trilogy was the Thrilla in Manila because it took place outside the country. Even the Ali-Foreman fight didn’t perform that well in closed circuit in the U.S. People say, 'Well why are you doing it?' It’s because of the tremendous amount that we make in China."
by Jeff Wagenheim
Recently, promoter M. Akbar Muhammad, a boxing executive and one of the principals of an Abu Dhabi-based investment group, offered a $110 million purse to Mayweather and combined purses of $200 million for the right to stage Pacquiao-Mayweather in the United Arab Emirates. Arum says that while he has not seen the proposal, he has no objection to the fight taking place abroad.
"If Mayweather signs on, if the deal with us is OK, we have no objection to fighting in Abu Dhabi," Arum said. "Do I know whether it is real, if it’s real money, of course not. I'm not paying any attention to it. Until they get Mayweather, there is no reason to. There is an awful lot of oil money in the Middle East, and there are people who don’t care about making a profit, but do it for other reasons."
Thats way too much... floyd giving out a demand that manny would turn down.. close to 2/3 or nothing is crazy
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THE MACHINE
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Money still central sticking Money still central sticking point in Mayweather-Pacquiao negotiations
BY CHRIS MANNIX
Posted: Fri Dec. 5, 2014 4:45PM
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Life Comes Next Moment: Pacquiao: 'It is a fight I want'
Manny Pacquiao wants the long-anticipated fight against Floyd Mayweather to happen sooner rather than later.
NEW YORK -- With the buzz for a potential super fight between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao once again reaching a fever pitch, there continue to be indications that the finances of this anticipated showdown will be a significant obstacle. According to a source close to Mayweather, if a Pacquiao fight were to happen, Mayweather would need to receive close to two-thirds of the revenue.
In a telephone interview with SI.com, Pacquiao’s promoter, Bob Arum, disputed the number. Arum declined to discuss specifics of the split but said he has been in contact with CBS CEO Les Moonves this week -- CBS is the parent company of Showtime, which has an exclusive deal with Mayweather -- and that "based on my conversations, that is not accurate."
by Jeff Wagenheim
Negotiations between Top Rank and CBS have continued after disappointing pay-per-view numbers for Manny Pacquiao’s welterweight title defense against Chris Algieri last month have come in. According to Arum, Pacquiao-Algieri generated just over 400,000 pay-per-view buys, while industry sources say that number is somewhere between 350,000 and 375,000.
Still, Arum insists that he is not unhappy with the fight’s performance at the box office.
"It’s good for a fight that takes place in Macau," Arum said. "If it takes place out of the U.S., that’s an automatic 40-50 percent reduction. There is no ESPN around the clock, not all the media is involved. In the U.S., that fight does 700-800,000 buys. This goes back to ancient times. The worst performing fight in the Ali-Frazier trilogy was the Thrilla in Manila because it took place outside the country. Even the Ali-Foreman fight didn’t perform that well in closed circuit in the U.S. People say, 'Well why are you doing it?' It’s because of the tremendous amount that we make in China."
by Jeff Wagenheim
Recently, promoter M. Akbar Muhammad, a boxing executive and one of the principals of an Abu Dhabi-based investment group, offered a $110 million purse to Mayweather and combined purses of $200 million for the right to stage Pacquiao-Mayweather in the United Arab Emirates. Arum says that while he has not seen the proposal, he has no objection to the fight taking place abroad.
"If Mayweather signs on, if the deal with us is OK, we have no objection to fighting in Abu Dhabi," Arum said. "Do I know whether it is real, if it’s real money, of course not. I'm not paying any attention to it. Until they get Mayweather, there is no reason to. There is an awful lot of oil money in the Middle East, and there are people who don’t care about making a profit, but do it for other reasons."
Thats way too much... floyd giving out a demand that manny would turn down.. close to 2/3 or nothing is crazy
I don't think that's too much if you consider they are at the beginning of the serious negotiations. If Floyd throws 65/35 out there, that's his ceiling. It's up to Arum/Team Pac to get it to 62/38 or 60/40 which would be more than fair judging by their recent PPV numbers. If the 350k number is accurate for the Algieri fight, I actually think 65/35 is a decent split. But it's all negotiations.
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Black_Jesus
Superstar
Floyd can either take the 60/40 against Pacquiao..m probably get Canelo/Cotto on the undercard and do at least 3.5mill ppvs
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He can be a bytch walk away from all that money, duck Pacquiao, and have to battle Cotto/Canelo in May
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He can be a bytch walk away from all that money, duck Pacquiao, and have to battle Cotto/Canelo in May
What if Mayweather takes Cotto for May? What will Canelo do then? What will Pac do? Floyd has better options than Pac, so he has a lot of leverage. And why wouldn't Cotto fight Floyd again? He could still fight Canelo later.Floyd can either take the 60/40 against Pacquiao..m probably get Canelo/Cotto on the undercard and do at least 3.5mill ppvs
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He can be a bytch walk away from all that money, duck Pacquiao, and have to battle Cotto/Canelo in May
Black_Jesus
Superstar
Floyd can try to fight Cotto... But he will go down in history as a bytch and a duck and probably fail at getting Cotto in the end since he's loyal to TR. The media and boxing will crusify Floyd... Why go through all that over 5%?
Only person with leverage in this equation is Cotto.. Not Floyd
The Fukin Prophecy
RIP Champ
This is some of the dumbest shyt I have ever read...
The media and hate driven fools like yourself been calling him a bytch and a duck the last 5 years...Why would he all of a sudden now give two shyts about that? Floyd is the biggest draw in the sport, no more incentive is needed for a guy like Cotto who is looking for the biggest pay day to make this fight...He won't be getting paid more fighting Canelo and that's a fact...and if Cotto is so loyal to TR...why didn't he resign?
bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
What about manny being a bytch and walking away from his highest payday?Floyd can either take the 60/40 against Pacquiao..m probably get Canelo/Cotto on the undercard and do at least 3.5mill ppvs
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He can be a bytch walk away from all that money, duck Pacquiao, and have to battle Cotto/Canelo in May
Black_Jesus
Superstar
What offer is Floydie prepared to make that will trump what both Arum and Oscar De La Hoya can offer Cotto??... Lets use our brains here... Both Cotto and Canelo stand to make more money headlining Cinco De Mayo 50/50 split on ppv than either would fighting Floyd..
The only reason Floydie is the biggest draw right now is because he has access to better fighters since Haymon left HBO and is hoarding the fighters in that division.
Black_Jesus
Superstar
Perception is reality breh.... Floyd is a bytch and he will be perceived as one in the media and by the public.. Not Pacquiao who has continuously called him out while Floyd stays quiet as a mouse STILL denying negotions ever took place
. Or Floyd can man up, give us what we want.. make career high earnings, break the record again along side Pacquiao, 40% is all we're asking. Honestly I just think Floyd is scared he'll lose 