Floyd Mayweather Jr-Manny Pacquiao Master Discussion Thread

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you ask the average casual fan right now why pacquaio floyd mayweather isnt official right now and you'll get some version of "because floyd is scared and ducking"
not HBO and showtime cant work out a issue
it has nothing to do with being "worried" about his image
if the image and stories being put out there about him are bullshyt, then he has a right to defend himself
But it seems like anytime he does (which is rare) people act like its a publicity stunt or something
while pacquaio and arum can talk shyt all day, make commercials, talk on social media and its all good
just makes no sense
so basically you're okay with Floyd "defending himself" even though it was a bullshyt propaganda move, just like the infamous phone call a couple years ago.. if Floydie really wanted to eliminate doubt he would've posted a clip of his meeting with Pac IN FULL.. so we get to hear both sides say their peace. the shyt he did instead was some weak p*ssy shyt, posturing for the camera... giving us something without really giving us anything.. only allowing himself to be interviewed by fighthype.com.. Staying silent and denying everything... you accept this, I dont....

Why hasn't a contract been drawn up yet??
 

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you ask the average casual fan right now why pacquaio floyd mayweather isnt official right now and you'll get some version of "because floyd is scared and ducking"
not HBO and showtime cant work out a issue
it has nothing to do with being "worried" about his image
if the image and stories being put out there about him are bullshyt, then he has a right to defend himself
But it seems like anytime he does (which is rare) people act like its a publicity stunt or something
while pacquaio and arum can talk shyt all day, make commercials, talk on social media and its all good
just makes no sense


Well, when Floyd generally does something....it's usually for a publicity stunt breh:heh:


The casual fan doesnt determine Floyd's legacy however and that's why Boxing is such a great sport. The hardcore fan defines your career/resume and Floyd has kinda put himself in bad graces with the most of us, because even though we respect his great talent...what's the use of having this great talent if you end your career not using that talent against your greatest opponent?
 

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And force Nicholas Walters to stop running and face Loma:wow:

Won't their paths cross in that featherweight tournament that's coming up? Someone posted a promo poster in the Boxing Random Thoughts thread indicating that they were both a part of it, and would meet up in the second round if they both won their first fight (which, from memory, is against opponents that shouldn't give them too much trouble). Unless the promo was fan made or something... :manny:
 

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Won't their paths cross in that featherweight tournament that's coming up? Someone posted a promo poster in the Boxing Random Thoughts thread indicating that they were both a part of it, and would meet up in the second round if they both won their first fight (which, from memory, is against opponents that shouldn't give them too much trouble). Unless the promo was fan made or something... :manny:


I think it was fan made. Walters is already on record saying it's not worth it to fight Lomachenko right now:snoop:
 

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they releasing snippets now like this is a unheard pac song:dahell:


man fukk this fight.. these 2 are both fukkin clowns and need to get out of boxing already
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Well, when Floyd generally does something....it's usually for a publicity stunt breh:heh:


The casual fan doesnt determine Floyd's legacy however and that's why Boxing is such a great sport. The hardcore fan defines your career/resume and Floyd has kinda put himself in bad graces with the most of us, because even though we respect his great talent...what's the use of having this great talent if you end your career not using that talent against your greatest opponent?
again with the double standards
your better than this:snoop:
so when pacquaio calls floyd out, and makes commercial, i dont hear anything about a publicity stunt. all i hear is "pacquaio wants to fight the best"
floyd call pacquaio out and responds its "oh publicity stunt":snoop:

lol the guys getting criticized no matter what he does, so theres really no point


as for the last line u said, you know damn well know why floyd and pacquaio have not fought yet so why are you making it seem like this is as simple as floyd not wanting to fight the best.

you feeling okay today bro:patrice:
 

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so basically you're okay with Floyd "defending himself" even though it was a bullshyt propaganda move, just like the infamous phone call a couple years ago.. if Floydie really wanted to eliminate doubt he would've posted a clip of his meeting with Pac IN FULL.. so we get to hear both sides say their peace. the shyt he did instead was some weak p*ssy shyt, posturing for the camera... giving us something without really giving us anything.. only allowing himself to be interviewed by fighthype.com.. Staying silent and denying everything... you accept this, I dont....

Why hasn't a contract been drawn up yet??
i dont think you know what the difference between truth and propoganda
he showed a 10 second snippet from a 1 hour conversation and your all in your feelings:sas2:
theres no need for a full length documentary on their convo
he dropped a little snippet to give people a general feel of how the conversation went
he only did that cause pacquaio and arum been saying floyd doesnt want the fight and is scared blah blah
he shows you the contrary and then the argument changes.
notice pacquaio hasn't said shyt since:sas2:

and did he transform into someone different for those 10 seconds he decided to film and show to the world and then turn into someone else for the rest of it?:bryan:
by all accounts, they had a very respectful and informative conversation. im pretty sure that was the mood of the whole convo


and a contract will be drawn up officially when everyone is agreed to:what:
what kinda question is that
 

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again with the double standards
your better than this:snoop:
so when pacquaio calls floyd out, and makes commercial, i dont hear anything about a publicity stunt. all i hear is "pacquaio wants to fight the best"
floyd call pacquaio out and responds its "oh publicity stunt":snoop:

lol the guys getting criticized no matter what he does, so theres really no point


as for the last line u said, you know damn well know why floyd and pacquaio have not fought yet so why are you making it seem like this is as simple as floyd not wanting to fight the best.

you feeling okay today bro:patrice:


I havent said anything wrong....you're :cape: for no reason right now.


What double standard?:dahell:


Tell me when's the last time Floyd posted something online that WASNT a publicity stunt?:mjpls:


No need for me to wait.....we both know you will not be able to, because that's what Floyd is all about. Showing off himself in the best light. Yes, secretely filming yourself PRAISING the same individual you basically claimed wasnt shyt and was a creation due to YOU retiring, and then saying "we have to give the world this fight", when in just December you were dismissing the fact a fight was even being negotiated.....yes, all that was for the camera.


If it wasnt for show, why didnt he have the camera out in the open? Why secretly tape someone and then act as if it was authentic? It wasnt:ufdup: Only Pacquiao was being authentic, because HE didnt know Floyd was wearing a wire. Neither did Michael Koncz. Floyd had an agenda, got it across and his stans of course will fall for it....but it's easy to read which is why I said he was playing chess with them and pulled a B-Hop move:mjpls:


Manny Pacquiao has been calling out since 2009. You dont call out someone for 6 years already and then claim it's a publicity stunt. It's not a publicity stunt from Manny in no way....we all know he wants to try and take Floyd's head off. There's no double standard. Floyd's the only one who spent years avoiding saying anything relevant about fighting Manny Pacquiao and usually dismissed him or made outrageous demands (he has to sign to leave Arum and sign with Mayweather Promotions:snoop:)


And dont highlight just the end of the sentence, because it was all 1 statement. I said:

The hardcore fan defines your career/resume and Floyd has kinda put himself in bad graces with the most of us, because even though we respect his great talent...what's the use of having this great talent if you end your career not using that talent against your greatest opponent?

Floyd is NOT satisfying the hardcore boxing fan and if he doesnt, his legacy will pay for it. Simple as that. There's no amount of casuals or Floyd stans that will change that fact. HARDCORE fans decide how Boxers are remembered and their place in history. Floyd has never fought a HOF opponent in their prime or in their best weight class. Period. History will not be kind to that....ask Joe Calzaghe who also retired undefeated:mjpls:


He has to fight Manny Pacquiao, not the other way around:manny:


Floyd will go down in history as a great boxer, greatly skilled, but never faced the guy who was the 2nd best fighter in his same weight class for 7 years now. That's what his legacy will read.
 

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I havent said anything wrong....you're :cape: for no reason right now.


What double standard?:dahell:


Tell me when's the last time Floyd posted something online that WASNT a publicity stunt?:mjpls:


No need for me to wait.....we both know you will not be able to, because that's what Floyd is all about. Showing off himself in the best light. Yes, secretely filming yourself PRAISING the same individual you basically claimed wasnt shyt and was a creation due to YOU retiring, and then saying "we have to give the world this fight", when in just December you were dismissing the fact a fight was even being negotiated.....yes, all that was for the camera.


If it wasnt for show, why didnt he have the camera out in the open? Why secretly tape someone and then act as if it was authentic? It wasnt:ufdup: Only Pacquiao was being authentic, because HE didnt know Floyd was wearing a wire. Neither did Michael Koncz. Floyd had an agenda, got it across and his stans of course will fall for it....but it's easy to read which is why I said he was playing chess with them and pulled a B-Hop move:mjpls:


Manny Pacquiao has been calling out since 2009. You dont call out someone for 6 years already and then claim it's a publicity stunt. It's not a publicity stunt from Manny in no way....we all know he wants to try and take Floyd's head off. There's no double standard. Floyd's the only one who spent years avoiding saying anything relevant about fighting Manny Pacquiao and usually dismissed him or made outrageous demands (he has to sign to leave Arum and sign with Mayweather Promotions:snoop:)


And dont highlight just the end of the sentence, because it was all 1 statement. I said:



Floyd is NOT satisfying the hardcore boxing fan and if he doesnt, his legacy will pay for it. Simple as that. There's no amount of casuals or Floyd stans that will change that fact. HARDCORE fans decide how Boxers are remembered and their place in history. Floyd has never fought a HOF opponent in their prime or in their best weight class. Period. History will not be kind to that....ask Joe Calzaghe who also retired undefeated:mjpls:


He has to fight Manny Pacquiao, not the other way around:manny:


Floyd will go down in history as a great boxer, greatly skilled, but never faced the guy who was the 2nd best fighter in his same weight class for 7 years now. That's what his legacy will read.
did you expect floyd to walk up to manny and call him a phony and a media creation when they are trying to negoitate a fight:snoop:
boxers talk shyt ALL the time about eachother but when it comes to actually negoitating and doing business that stuff is usually put to the side for the time being
if the fight gets officially made, best believe both these guys gonna be talking shyt about each other again and when the fight is over, they'll be shaking hands
nothing out of the ordinary about that

for the last time, he recorded some of the conversation because hes dealing with a bunch of liars:snoop:
hes been saying the same shyt for the last couple of years publicly and people always try to discredit him,
so he felt the need to get undeniable proof that what they are saying is bullshyt
But now you know what people do? change the argument to "OH why was he recording its a publicity stunt, he really dont wanna make the fight":deadmanny:
tell me what you think the guy should do
cause so far hes talked, been slience, talked in person, talked on video, recorded conversations and was criticized for each one




your views on floyd's legacy is your opinion and i'm not getting into that especially with some of the weird stuff you saying today:patrice:

but at the end of the day, not everyone shares that opinion and a lot of real boxing heads see him as one of the goats:manny:
if anything is taking away from his legacy, is the fact that people dont like him and are begging for him to fail
 

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did you expect floyd to walk up to manny and call him a phony and a media creation when they are trying to negoitate a fight:snoop:
boxers talk shyt ALL the time about eachother but when it comes to actually negoitating and doing business that stuff is usually put to the side for the time being
if the fight gets officially made, best believe both these guys gonna be talking shyt about each other again and when the fight is over, they'll be shaking hands
nothing out of the ordinary about that

He walked up to him and called him a liar in front of everyone at the game...but behind closed doors and while wearing a wire, all of a sudden he's Mr. Praise Be Onto You My Brother:rudy:

You talking about "when it comes time to actually negotiate", breh dont you think if he was concerned with negotiations, he wouldnt have called Manny and Michael Koncz liars in public?:sas1:

Or did he do it to put on a show and cause a scene because everything Floyd does is for publicity?:sas2:


for the last time, he recorded some of the conversation because hes dealing with a bunch of liars:snoop:
hes been saying the same shyt for the last couple of years publicly and people always try to discredit him,
so he felt the need to get undeniable proof that what they are saying is bullshyt

But Michael Koncz already came OUT and said he thinks Floyd wants to make the fight....so what was the point of Floyd leaking footage, which again he did on some candid camera shyt, saying he thinks they should fight?:dahell:


ONLY reason he would've done it, is because he still falls victim to Bob Arums troll tactics. After the meeting, Koncz was praising this dude Floyd all over the media...so we know how Team Pacquiao felt. Come to find out, Floyd was secretly recording the situation but he was the only one who knew the cameras were rolling, so yes I believe the things he was saying was to sound good for the camera while Pacquiao and Koncz were all authentic.


But now you know what people do? change the argument to "OH why was he recording its a publicity stunt, he really dont wanna make the fight":deadmanny:
tell me what you think the guy should do
cause so far hes talked, been slience, talked in person, talked on video, recorded conversations and was criticized for each one


He should take his ass into the HBO/Showtime meetings and secretly record them so we can see what the hold up is. Pacquiao said in 2008 he wanted to fight Floyd....aint nothing change 7 years later accept he's 7 years older. There was no point at all to release the video unless he was trying to perserve his image from Bob Arum's comments.


Who secretly records private conversations anyways?:snoop:


your views on floyd's legacy is your opinion and i'm not getting into that especially with some of the weird stuff you saying today:patrice:

but at the end of the day, not everyone shares that opinion and a lot of real boxing heads see him as one of the goats:manny:
if anything is taking away from his legacy, is the fact that people dont like him and are begging for him to fail


1 of the GOATs? There are MANY "1 of the GOATs"....however Floyd will NEVER come close to SRR, Ali, SRL because he fails to do what he needs to do and that's fight the best by all means necessary. For 7 years we've been waiting already:camby:


"1 of the GOATs":heh: Yes he's one of the GOATs, but he's not THEE GOAT and that's what he proclaims himself to be. Dont forget #TBE stands for The Best Ever. You dont become the best ever by not fighting the 2nd best fighter in your weight class for 7 years now:manny:


It took SRL 35 months to fight Hagler after his last fight with Kevin Howard....we've been waiting for Floyd to fight Manny for 74 months and counting already:wow:
 

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He walked up to him and called him a liar in front of everyone at the game...but behind closed doors and while wearing a wire, all of a sudden he's Mr. Praise Be Onto You My Brother:rudy:

You talking about "when it comes time to actually negotiate", breh dont you think if he was concerned with negotiations, he wouldnt have called Manny and Michael Koncz liars in public?:sas1:

Or did he do it to put on a show and cause a scene because everything Floyd does is for publicity?:sas2:




But Michael Koncz already came OUT and said he thinks Floyd wants to make the fight....so what was the point of Floyd leaking footage, which again he did on some candid camera shyt, saying he thinks they should fight?:dahell:


ONLY reason he would've done it, is because he still falls victim to Bob Arums troll tactics. After the meeting, Koncz was praising this dude Floyd all over the media...so we know how Team Pacquiao felt. Come to find out, Floyd was secretly recording the situation but he was the only one who knew the cameras were rolling, so yes I believe the things he was saying was to sound good for the camera while Pacquiao and Koncz were all authentic.





He should take his ass into the HBO/Showtime meetings and secretly record them so we can see what the hold up is. Pacquiao said in 2008 he wanted to fight Floyd....aint nothing change 7 years later accept he's 7 years older. There was no point at all to release the video unless he was trying to perserve his image from Bob Arum's comments.


Who secretly records private conversations anyways?:snoop:





1 of the GOATs? There are MANY "1 of the GOATs"....however Floyd will NEVER come close to SRR, Ali, SRL because he fails to do what he needs to do and that's fight the best by all means necessary. For 7 years we've been waiting already:camby:


"1 of the GOATs":heh: Yes he's one of the GOATs, but he's not THEE GOAT and that's what he proclaims himself to be. Dont forget #TBE stands for The Best Ever. You dont become the best ever by not fighting the 2nd best fighter in your weight class for 7 years now:manny:


It took SRL 35 months to fight Hagler after his last fight with Kevin Howard....we've been waiting for Floyd to fight Manny for 74 months and counting already:wow:
He walked up to him and called him a liar in front of everyone at the game...but behind closed doors and while wearing a wire, all of a sudden he's Mr. Praise Be Onto You My Brother:rudy:

You talking about "when it comes time to actually negotiate", breh dont you think if he was concerned with negotiations, he wouldnt have called Manny and Michael Koncz liars in public?:sas1:

Or did he do it to put on a show and cause a scene because everything Floyd does is for publicity?:sas2:




But Michael Koncz already came OUT and said he thinks Floyd wants to make the fight....so what was the point of Floyd leaking footage, which again he did on some candid camera shyt, saying he thinks they should fight?:dahell:


ONLY reason he would've done it, is because he still falls victim to Bob Arums troll tactics. After the meeting, Koncz was praising this dude Floyd all over the media...so we know how Team Pacquiao felt. Come to find out, Floyd was secretly recording the situation but he was the only one who knew the cameras were rolling, so yes I believe the things he was saying was to sound good for the camera while Pacquiao and Koncz were all authentic.





He should take his ass into the HBO/Showtime meetings and secretly record them so we can see what the hold up is. Pacquiao said in 2008 he wanted to fight Floyd....aint nothing change 7 years later accept he's 7 years older. There was no point at all to release the video unless he was trying to perserve his image from Bob Arum's comments.


Who secretly records private conversations anyways?:snoop:





1 of the GOATs? There are MANY "1 of the GOATs"....however Floyd will NEVER come close to SRR, Ali, SRL because he fails to do what he needs to do and that's fight the best by all means necessary. For 7 years we've been waiting already:camby:


"1 of the GOATs":heh: Yes he's one of the GOATs, but he's not THEE GOAT and that's what he proclaims himself to be. Dont forget #TBE stands for The Best Ever. You dont become the best ever by not fighting the 2nd best fighter in your weight class for 7 years now:manny:


It took SRL 35 months to fight Hagler after his last fight with Kevin Howard....we've been waiting for Floyd to fight Manny for 74 months and counting already:wow:

Bro he has called those guys liars publicly for the last 4-5 years
then he called them liars to their face and they fell back
if floyd recorded himself dissing pacquaio or talking down to pacquaio i would think hes trying to mess up the fight
in the video he said nothing but positive things about pacquaio and about making the fight happen
i dont see why your so outraged about him complimenting pacquaio:russ:
im sure other things were said in there that made pacquaio and his adviser looks stupid and he didnt release it

Mayweathers supposed to be satsifed because michael konz (someone that most people never even heard of) decided to come out and tell the truth for once after years of talking shyt:pachaha:
whats wrong with him responding to bob arum's trolling every now and then?
your pretty much saying arum should have free will to say whatever he wants and floyd better not respond or hes falling for a trap:troll:


There's nothing with you thinking he is not better than SRL ALI LEOnard etc
but floyd is great enough to call himself TBE if he wishes
its that belief in himself that has got him where hes at today
see nothing wrong with it

and this fight is gonna happen, and once floyd whips him, im sure the argument will change again but it is what it is
 
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