Floyd Mayweather Jr-Manny Pacquiao Master Discussion Thread

[Black_Jesus]

He needs to be meeting with the head of HBO Sports or Time Warner


Arum meeting with Les Mooves means nothing really...they cant make a deal


HBO and Showtime needs to make a deal, and the problem lies on HBO's side which is TR's problem. Arum needs to fix it if he really wants this fight


Pac is not a boss or the problem. Floyd is onboard with the fight and, as Michael Koncz said, is the A-Side.....which means Showtime/CBS is. Arum needs to talk to HIS network and get this fight done

You continue to say the problem lies on HBO, but have no concrete knowledge of what the problem up is... All we know for sure is that there was a disagreement between having the fight build up on 24/7 or Access.... Also Floyd being Aside doesn't automatically make Showtime Aside

 

[Newzz]

You continue to say the problem lies on HBO, but have no concrete knowledge of what the problem up is... All we know for sure is that there was a disagreement between having the fight build up on 24/7 or Access.... Also Floyd being Aside doesn't automatically make Showtime Aside

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[George's Dilemma]

You continue to say the problem lies on HBO, but have no concrete knowledge of what the problem up is... All we know for sure is that there was a disagreement between having the fight build up on 24/7 or Access.... Also Floyd being Aside doesn't automatically make Showtime Aside

Regardless if this fight happens or not, Floyd's next PPV does 800,000 at least. Pac, regardless of who he fights, won't see 1/2 of those numbers for his next PPV. Not to mention he's got a couple L's, one that ended up like this............

How is Showtime not automatically the A-side?

 

[Black_Jesus]

Regardless if this fight happens or not, Floyd's next PPV does 800,000 at least. Pac, regardless of who he fights, won't see 1/2 of those numbers for his next PPV. Not to mention he's got a couple L's, one that ended up like this............

How is Showtime not automatically the A-side?

He dod 800k against Bradley just last year nikka Fruck outa here

 

[Black_Jesus]

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Tyson was obviously the Aside against Lewis, so Showtime was the A-side right?? :wjpls:

well why didn't Showtime automatically get the rebroadcast rights instead of it going to the winner

 

[seemorecizzy]

The video was sneaky as hell


Manny thought they were having negotiations and discussing the fight, Floyd was there to put on a show for the camera....literally That's why I said he's playing chess, when's the last tine that Mayweather gave Pacquiao props on anything But face to face, he's all "we both have had great careers" "we need to give the public the fight we want to see" or whatever he said


It was so fake to ME that it's amazing that people buy into it


Again, I have no doubts that MANNY wants the fight 100%...he would fight anyone imo. Floyd wants the fight as well, but he's trying to preserve his public image from Arum it seems, which is why he had to pull a "candid camera" type trick on Pac in order to let people know how he feels


Honestly, I still believe that Arum doesnt want that fight at all, which is fukked up, because Manny is good enough to pull off something special. I wouldnt bet on him, but I wouldnt be surprised either

i dont think its fake at all
i just dont understand what hes supposed to do
when he stays silence and only TR side is talking, they say he needs to talk more
when he talks more, it either gets no coverage or its told it a one sided fashion and people say they dont believe him
so now hes stepping to dudes face to face and recording real life interactions and you still got some people saying "OH he only said that cause the camera's on he dont mean it"
i mean seriously, short of inviting pacquaio to a sparring session at his gym, i don't no what hes supposed to do to convince people he wants the fight, has been trying to make the fight, and wants to whip that boy once and for all


he already stepped to the dude and called him for his lying and pacquaio fell back
him talking to pacquaio in a respectful manner when there in a sit down meeting would indicate to me that hes seriously trying to make the fight happen
if he was doing the "money may" routine and being disrespectful behind closed doors that wouldnt help anything

 

[George's Dilemma]

He dod 800k against Bradley just last year nikka Fruck outa here

His Algieri fight did 300,000, possibly less.


If Floyd would have fought Algieri, it would have did 800,000 possibly more considering ...well.........you know.

 

[Newzz]

Tyson was obviously the Aside against Lewis, so Showtime was the A-side right?? :wjpls:

well why didn't Showtime automatically get the rebroadcast rights instead of it going to the winner

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HBO/Lewis WAS the A-Side in the negotiations. Former Head of HBO Ross Greenburg spoke on this back then:

HBO's Greenburg stood in the media room after Lewis' win vs. David Tua in November 2000 and preached that a Lewis-Tyson fight was going to be an HBO event — or it wouldn't happen.

"Lennox Lewis is the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world," he said. "This is going to come down to Showtime bending. Obviously, Mike Tyson brings clout to a pay-per-view event. I'm not denying that. But why should we back down from a position of ownership of the heavyweight title?"

Showtime Senior Vice President Jay Larkin also cast doubt, declaring Tyson would fight on HBO "when pork chops grow on the palm trees of Tel Aviv."

In the end, HBO backed down and, at last check, the palm trees of Tel Aviv were pork chop-free.

"Sometimes I shake my head in disbelief that we did it," Larkin said.

The reason is obvious. With perhaps as much as $150 million in gross revenue at stake, it was too hard to pass up. Plus, the public and media have clamored for the fight like no other in recent history. Finally, the networks began talking in early 2001.

"I believe HBO and Showtime knew that this fight had to get done, and they did it. It wasn't easy, but they did it," Tyson adviser Shelly Finkel said. "There was money to be made. Also, this was for the benefit of the fighters and the public. It would have reflected poorly on them if it didn't get done."

Greenburg said he always knew the fight loomed. "I saw it coming from a mile away," he said. "It's been exhausting. We set out with Showtime to make a groundbreaking deal in the rarest of circumstances, and we did."

Said Showtime's Executive Vice President Mark Greenberg: "Neither camp was going to get this fight without the other. We all recognized that."


http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/stories/2002-05-30-networks.htm

So why is HBO not taking the same position with Floyd Mayweather being the #1 P4P in the sport and even Team Pacquiao recognizing Floyd as the A-Side as they wanted Showtime to back in 2001-2002?


HBO bent and THAT'S how the rebroadcast deal came about


Showtime is willing to bend, by all reports, and willing to do the exact same thing as they did for Lewis/Tyson......but HBO doesnt want to do it. Arum needs to talk to HIS side (HBO)and get this fight made instead of Les Mooves

 

[Black_Jesus]

His Algieri fight did 300,000, possibly less.


If Floyd would have fought Algieri, it would have did 800,000 possibly more considering ...well.........you know.

you said that bullshyt like it was some sort of fact and not an opinion... Floyd/Maidana Barely got 800k and Maidana was coming of a great one sided victory vs an undefeated Adrian c00ner, but Im supposed to believe Floyd vs an unknown master boxer with no knockout power would match 800k buys? Kill yourself

 

[Newzz]

i dont think its fake at all
i just dont understand what hes supposed to do
when he stays silence and only TR side is talking, they say he needs to talk more
when he talks more, it either gets no coverage or its told it a one sided fashion and people say they dont believe him
so now hes stepping to dudes face to face and recording real life interactions and you still got some people saying "OH he only said that cause the camera's on he dont mean it"
i mean seriously, short of inviting pacquaio to a sparring session at his gym, i don't no what hes supposed to do to convince people he wants the fight, has been trying to make the fight, and wants to whip that boy once and for all


he already stepped to the dude and called him for his lying and pacquaio fell back
him talking to pacquaio in a respectful manner when there in a sit down meeting would indicate to me that hes seriously trying to make the fight happen
if he was doing the "money may" routine and being disrespectful behind closed doors that wouldnt help anything

Everyone acts different in front of the camera...especially Floyd. And in this instance, he KNEW the cameras were rolling


Yes, I believe Floyd wants to fight him (not as bad as Manny wants to fight Floyd though), but I also believe he's worried about his image...which is why he pulled a candid camera trick and has slowly released pics/video from the meeting. That video means absolutely nothing though, because the ONLY meeting at this time that's important now, is the meetings between Showtime and HBO. Him showing a video of him saying he wants to fight Pacquiao, after Pacquiao has made commercials and publically called out Floyd for a while now, doesnt show anything to me accept he's still bothered by Bob Arum's tactics


Show us some video of him inside of a meeting with HBO and Showtime and THEN I'd be like

 

[Black_Jesus]

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HBO/Lewis WAS the A-Side in the negotiations. Former Head of HBO Ross Greenburg spoke on this back then:








So why is HBO not taking the same position with Floyd Mayweather being the #1 P4P in the sport and even Team Pacquiao recognizing Floyd as the A-Side as they wanted Showtime to back in 2001-2002?


HBO bent and THAT'S how the rebroadcast deal came about


Showtime is willing to bend, by all reports, and willing to do the exact same thing as they did for Lewis/Tyson......but HBO doesnt want to do it. Arum needs to talk to HIS side (HBO)and get this fight made instead of Les Mooves

You dont know what position Showtime or HBO has taken in the negotiations so everything else in your post is conjecture :mjpl: respectfully

 

[krackdagawd]

Arum needs to do what's best for business and put Vasyl "Hi Tech aka The Ukrainian Prince aka Pretty Boy Loma aka SouthPaw Will O' The Wisp" Lomachenko on the undercard

 

[Newzz]

Arum needs to do what's best for business and put Vasyl "Hi Tech aka The Ukrainian Price aka Pretty Boy Loma aka SouthPaw Will O' The Wisp" Lomachenko on the undercard

And force Nicholas Walters to stop running and face Loma

 

[seemorecizzy]

Everyone acts different in front of the camera...especially Floyd. And in this instance, he KNEW the cameras were rolling


Yes, I believe Floyd wants to fight him (not as bad as Manny wants to fight Floyd though), but I also believe he's worried about his image...which is why he pulled a candid camera trick and has slowly released pics/video from the meeting. That video means absolutely nothing though, because the ONLY meeting at this time that's important now, is the meetings between Showtime and HBO. Him showing a video of him saying he wants to fight Pacquiao, after Pacquiao has made commercials and publically called out Floyd for a while now, doesnt show anything to me accept he's still bothered by Bob Arum's tactics


Show us some video of him inside of a meeting with HBO and Showtime and THEN I'd be like

you ask the average casual fan right now why pacquaio floyd mayweather isnt official right now and you'll get some version of "because floyd is scared and ducking"
not HBO and showtime cant work out a issue
it has nothing to do with being "worried" about his image
if the image and stories being put out there about him are bullshyt, then he has a right to defend himself
But it seems like anytime he does (which is rare) people act like its a publicity stunt or something
while pacquaio and arum can talk shyt all day, make commercials, talk on social media and its all good
just makes no sense

 

[krackdagawd]

And force Nicholas Walters to stop running and face Loma

Walters need to quit ducking Young Dos Medallas and come get this work.