one thing to factor in is Manny fought most those guys at a catchwieght... he still fought at a wieght he was comfortable at for the most part.
Floyd Mayweather Jr-Manny Pacquiao Master Discussion Thread
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Look at why Barry Bonds was so good....he was great BEFORE taking steroids. He became immortal once he began taking them.
It's not just about his power or speed breh. It's about the fact he also got a bigger head and his punching endurance was CRAZY high and he hardly ever clinched even against much larger opponents than he was. Not once did he initiate a clinch against Antonio Margarito who was much larger than him.
He's not on PEDs now breh...and you can tell in his style of fighting.
Example, in the Championship rounds against Antonio Margarito, Pacquiao threw 116 punches in the 10th round, 101 punches in the 11th round, and 79 punches in the 12th round compared to the Championship rounds against Algieri where he threw 48 punches in the 10th round, 63 punches in the 11th round, and 73 punches in the 12th round
In what world does the much naturally smaller man throw a total of 112 more punches over the last 3 rounds of a fight against a man who outweighs you about 20 lbs and is a hard puncher, than he does in the last 3 rounds against a 140lber with no punching power?
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=pacquiao-margarito-compubox
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=pacquiao-algieri-compubox
Even against Brandon Rios, who was a sitting duck almost the entire fight, Pacquiao only threw 68 punches in the 10th round, 56 punches in the 11th round, and 70 punches in the 12th round(http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stats-pacquiao-w-12-rios/). And Rios was a punching bag for him.
Pacquiao threw 102 more punches in the Championship rounds against a more dangerous, larger opponent in Margarito....that's a cause for suspicion
There's alot of "evidence" of PED use for Pacquiao and both sides have points. You cant just deny one side and not hear out the other.
u have a right to your opinion and i dont think i can say anything that will changer ur stance on this... ill just add one thing.Look at why Barry Bonds was so good....he was great BEFORE taking steroids. He became immortal once he began taking them.
It's not just about his power or speed breh. It's about the fact he also got a bigger head and his punching endurance was CRAZY high and he hardly ever clinched even against much larger opponents than he was. Not once did he initiate a clinch against Antonio Margarito who was much larger than him.
He's not on PEDs now breh...and you can tell in his style of fighting.
Example, in the Championship rounds against Antonio Margarito, Pacquiao threw 116 punches in the 10th round, 101 punches in the 11th round, and 79 punches in the 12th round compared to the Championship rounds against Algieri where he threw 48 punches in the 10th round, 63 punches in the 11th round, and 73 punches in the 12th round
In what world does the much naturally smaller man throw a total of 112 more punches over the last 3 rounds of a fight against a man who outweighs you about 20 lbs and is a hard puncher, than he does in the last 3 rounds against a 140lber with no punching power?
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=pacquiao-margarito-compubox
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=pacquiao-algieri-compubox
Even against Brandon Rios, who was a sitting duck almost the entire fight, Pacquiao only threw 68 punches in the 10th round, 56 punches in the 11th round, and 70 punches in the 12th round(http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stats-pacquiao-w-12-rios/). And Rios was a punching bag for him.
Pacquiao threw 102 more punches in the Championship rounds against a more dangerous, larger opponent in Margarito....that's a cause for suspicion
There's alot of "evidence" of PED use for Pacquiao and both sides have points. You cant just deny one side and not hear out the other.
margarito was so slow... he was just a punching bag.. the times he did hit manny he was almost hurt but since he was so slow he didnt do it often.
Brandon Rios was slow and just stood there...and Manny still didnt approach the same numbers, but yeah, we see it different
Manny is older now, he's not prime anymore where he can throw all those punches.. Your output slows down with age..
How much weight did manny move up?
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You bring up a valid point...
Pacquiaos workrate is not a good example for PED use IMO even though that's what EPO is commonly used for (Shane Mosley)...It's been said a million times, styles make fights...when pacquiao fights dudes who come forward and want to brawl he always let's his hands go...when he's in the ring with boxers who stick and move Pacquiaos punch output naturally decreases because he doesn't cut the ring off and is forced to chase...
Anyways this wouldn't even be a debate if the fool didn't put up a fight against steroid testing in 2009...He could of easily erased any doubt by agreeing to the testing...No clean prize fighter turns down the richest prize fight over a pinch of blood at a random time...Pacquiao made himself look guilty by ducking the testing hence why he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from me or any other sane boxing fan...
I agree
Cuz he ducked the test made him look shady but it also doesn't prove he's on peds.
At 19 years old...Manny was fighting at 112.
He has fought as low as Flyweight and as high as Junior Middleweight.....that's 10 divisions spanning from 112-154
And the INCREDIBLE run of either straight dominating or KO'ng everyone from 130-154 over 5 divisions in only a 32 month span
Doesnt prove PED usage, but it does cause suspicion
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came in the thread to check for updates and nikkas still having 7 yr old arguments 
Black_Jesus
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This bigger head crap you keep regurgitating is pathetic. and borderline homo.. Pac's head hasn't had any major size increase whatsoever
Pac/Morales 3
Pac/Marg
The only difference was how low he kept his hair trimmed back at superfeather compared to now, where he rocks a pretty huge bowl cut and goatee
the only difference is since hes 20 lbs heavier in the weigh ins today his cheeks and jaws might be a little fuller since he has to drain himself much less...
Yall nikkas cant be this retarded.
His punching endurance isn't as high because HE IS GETTING OLDER!!!! Everyone stamina fades as they hit their mid 30s... (cept for Marquez
.Also you bringing up Manny not clinching against Marquez yet you dont mention how Manny was paying for the shyt and was getting tagged the whole night and had to go to the hospital after the fight
He's not on PEDs now breh...and you can tell in his style of fighting.
Example, in the Championship rounds against Antonio Margarito, Pacquiao threw 116 punches in the 10th round, 101 punches in the 11th round, and 79 punches in the 12th round compared to the Championship rounds against Algieri where he threw 48 punches in the 10th round, 63 punches in the 11th round, and 73 punches in the 12th round
In what world does the much naturally smaller man throw a total of 112 more punches over the last 3 rounds of a fight against a man who outweighs you about 20 lbs and is a hard puncher, than he does in the last 3 rounds against a 140lber with no punching power?
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=pacquiao-margarito-compubox
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=pacquiao-algieri-compubox
Even against Brandon Rios, who was a sitting duck almost the entire fight, Pacquiao only threw 68 punches in the 10th round, 56 punches in the 11th round, and 70 punches in the 12th round(http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stats-pacquiao-w-12-rios/). And Rios was a punching bag for him.
Pacquiao threw 102 more punches in the Championship rounds against a more dangerous, larger opponent in Margarito....that's a cause for suspicion
There's alot of "evidence" of PED use for Pacquiao and both sides have points. You cant just deny one side and not hear out the other.
These are stupid ass examples.. You're comparing how many punches a prime Pacquaio was throwing FOUR YEARS+ ago compared to a congressman post KO pacquiao that purposely is boxing smarter and less reckless throwing less punches...
i think floyd could have a similar amount of belts if he turned pro earlier... him winning those divisions on paper look crazy but it really isnt cuz he fought most at catchwieghts..... l found these pics interestingAt 19 years old...Manny was fighting at 112.
He has fought as low as Flyweight and as high as Junior Middleweight.....that's 10 divisions spanning from 112-154
And the INCREDIBLE run of either straight dominating or KO'ng everyone from 130-154 over 5 divisions in only a 32 month span
Doesnt prove PED usage, but it does cause suspicion
every boxer takes drug test. all that used PEDS got caught.. There's a huge list of fighters that have got caught and Manny aint on it.
first time for everything man.. It almost makes Manny look like god for the sh!t people say lol. Lets say he started at 105 and he at 147 now. Roy Jones went from 160 to 175 to fight a fukking HEAVYWEIGHT! GTFO with this bullsh!t man. Even Trinidad jumped from 147 to 160 in a year.
Perfect.. Explains a lot.i think floyd could have a similar amount of belts if he turned pro earlier... him winning those divisions on paper look crazy but it really isnt cuz he fought most at catchwieghts..... l found these pics interesting