Florida teen allegedly shoots, kills sister after fight over Christmas gifts

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Sad situation all around, this girl’s brothers were idiots

From a legal standpoint though I don’t think that 15 year old should get an attempted murder charge
He def shouldn't. But black people aren't allowed to defend ourselves or our families. They've let white people shoot strangers because that stranger was a threat to another complete stranger and get no charges. Yet you can be black, someone can be shooting your sister and you aren't allowed to defend her life or yours.

It's fukking ridiculous.
 

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Rest in Peace to the sister.

Lock him under the prison. People like that can never function in society, and need to be put away forever

I’ll disagree based on what I’ve read

Kid is 14 & seems to have made a split second bad decision. At that age you don’t fully know how to control your emotions. Add a gun to the equation it’s deadly. I believe he can be rehabilitated
 

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I've been in jail, check my old threads. Those young nikkas are not going to those programs you're talking about.

I've been on the other side, I was that guy running those programs, and I can tell you that some young brothers are definitely going and engaging with them fully. Teaching in jail was the most rewarding experience of my career, the ones who showed up were amazing students. But my program was a drop in the bucket, there needed to be far more engagement going on.



They rather sit around and tell war stories to one another. They fight, smoke, on the phone, or laying around just as if they were on the outside

Yall boy's clearly mistaken talking about rehabilitation. Prison/Jail is just a opportunity to talk with other criminals to sharpen their skills to do more wrong when they get out.

85% of them are not using those programs


Then we need better prisons and better programs. Jails/prisons in other countries look NOTHING like ours, and they're much, much better at rehabilitation.
 

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I’ll disagree based on what I’ve read

Kid is 14 & seems to have made a split second bad decision. At that age you don’t fully know how to control your emotions. Add a gun to the equation it’s deadly. I believe he can be rehabilitated


That poster is oddly reactionary on certain topics. When it comes to stuff with kids (schools, police, prisons, etc.) he's all about right-wing solutions that involve blaming the poor and discarding the worst-off.
 

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The kid is a murderer. Killed his own family member. Why should anyone give a flying fukk about his future. They shouldn’t even have rendered medical aid just let him bleed out slowly


Oh look, the pro-police shootings poster also glorifies black death. He's fukking 14 man, your fantasies about medical professionals watching him bleed out are sick.

Are you still mad about Michael Drejka being in prison for killing an unarmed Black man?
 
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You know who’s raising them. :sas2:

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Black boy kills black girl, Coli poster uses it as a leapoff to blame black women and other Coli posters laugh in agreement. Just another day here. :francis:
 

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This wasn't about gifts, they were lost a long time ago. This comes down to bad parenting and mental health. I've listened to gangsta rap and see every mob/hood movies growing up, and it never affected me in any way.


What you say is partly true, because the parenting issue and mental health issue desperately need to be addressed. But mental health issues exist in every society. Bad parents exist in every society. Only some societies brainwash their dysfunctional members into solving all their problems with gunplay.
 

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A 14-year-old boy allegedly fatally shot his older sister in Florida after a family argument over Christmas presents, officials said Tuesday.

The teen had been out shopping on Christmas Eve with Abrielle Baldwin, his 23-year-old sister, as well as his mother, 15-year-old brother and sister's children, Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said during a news conference.

The teenage brothers got into an argument about who was getting more Christmas presents.

"They had this family spat about who was getting what and what money was being spent on who, and they were having this big thing going on in this store," Gualtieri said.

The boys continued to argue at their grandmother's house in Largo — a city about a half hour's drive from Tampa — Gualtieri said. They'd gone there so the grandmother could babysit Baldwin's baby boy and her 6-year-old son while Baldwin was at work.

Once inside, the 14-year-old boy allegedly pulled out a semiautomatic handgun, pointed it at his brother and told him he was going to shoot him in the head, Gualtieri said. The older teen said he didn't want to fight and told his brother to get out of the house. One of their uncles separated the teens and got the 14-year-old boy outside, where Baldwin was with her baby.

"'You all need to leave that stuff alone,'" Baldwin said to her brother, according to Gualtieri. "'Why you trying to start it? It's Christmas.'"

The 14-year-old boy called his sister several derogatory words and told her he was going to shoot her and her baby. He allegedly shot her in the chest around 1:45 p.m. local time.

The baby, who was in a carrier, was not injured, Gualtieri said.

The 15-year-old brother came outside with his own semiautomatic handgun and allegedly shot the younger teen in the stomach, police said. He then ran, throwing the gun into a nearby yard. The teen was taken into custody at a relative's house.

Baldwin was taken to a hospital, where she was pronounced dead, Gualtieri said. The bullet traveled through her left arm and into her chest, popping both of her lungs. She suffered internal bleeding and was unable to breathe.

The wounded 14-year-old boy underwent surgery and is now in stable condition at a hospital. He's been charged with first-degree murder, child abuse and being a delinquent in possession of a firearm, police said. The Pinellas-Pasco State Attorney's Office will review the case and decide whether the teen will be charged as an adult.

His brother was charged with attempted first-degree murder and tampering with physical evidence. Both teens have prior arrests for car burglaries.

"These young kids — 14, 15 years old — routinely carry firearms and this is what happens when you got young delinquents that carry guns," Gualtieri said. "They get upset, they don't know how to handle stuff, and they end up shooting each other."






Merry Christmas from sunny Florida :beli::mjcry:

The fact Jesus name is attached to this sick capitalist cult holiday really does not sit well with my spirit.

When we apply these...for lack of a better word, "principles" to what is supposed to be such an important religious day, this is the type of shyt we see, and we see it every day. :scust:
 

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According to the bleeding hearts he's not evil he's just poor.

 

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An Execution is the only remedy for him.

Its too late to fix it now.
This gun situation will not get better before if gets worse..
 

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An Execution is the only remedy for him.

Its too late to fix it now.


I'm glad you've stepped in with your deep insights in child development and psychology to help us understand the situation better.


Kids have severely limited decision-making tools in their brains compared to adults - it's why a 14yo is not allowed to drive, drink, to smoke, to make medical decisions on their own, it's why they aren't considered legally capable of consenting to sex with an adult no matter how much they appear to have "consented". The fact that they are severely limited in decision-making capacity is not in the slightest doubt. Spend a year in an 8th-grade classroom if you have the least uncertainty on this issue. If every 14yo in the country had full-time access to a handgun, murders would skyrocket.

Yes, this kid did something fukking horrible. Yes, he should face consequences. Yes, "most" children would not have done it, even most children in his situation. But no, that doesn't make him uniquely evil or irredeemable, and you're basing that hot take on literally nothing. There have been plenty of people who committed more heinous murders at an older age than him and still turned their lives around.

The only two nations in the entire world that allow the execution of a minor are the USA and Iran. One of those does it because it has a history of being controlled by delusional theocratic a$$holes who know nothing of the true God, and the other keeps trying to start wars with Iraq.
 
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I'm glad you've stepped in with your deep insights in child development and psychology to help us understand the situation better.


Kids have severely limited decision-making tools in their brains compared to adults - it's why a 14yo is not allowed to drive, drink, to smoke, to make medical decisions on their own, it's why they aren't considered legally capable of consenting to sex with an adult no matter how much they appear to have "consented". The fact that they are severely limited in decision-making capacity is not in the slightest doubt. Spend a year in an 8th-grade classroom if you have the least uncertainty on this issue. If every 14yo in the country had full-time access to a handgun, murders would skyrocket.

Yes, this kid did something fukking horrible. Yes, he should face consequences. Yes, "most" children would not have done it, even most children in his situation. But no, that doesn't make him uniquely evil or irredeemable, and you're basing that hot take on literally nothing. There have been plenty of people who committed more heinous murders at an older age than him and still turned their lives around.

The only two nations in the entire world that allow the execution of a minor are the USA and Iran. One of those does it because it has a history of being controlled by delusional theocratic a$$holes who know nothing of the true God, and the other keeps trying to start wars with Iraq.

At 14 he would be old enough to have fought in most wars throughout history.
Let us not pretend that a 14 year-old whilst still young, is mature enough to father a child etc. He is also equipped by 14 with more physical strength than any female of any age.
This is a teenager, not a pre teen.

There is also little hope of rehabilitation for him.
The mental anguish of killing his own blood over rubbish will haunt his already disturbed mind if he even has a conscience. He has nothing to live for now or look forward to in life..he should have turned the gun on himself really.
 

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At 14 he would be old enough to have fought in most wars throughout history.

What kind of useless input is this? You think they did that out of psychological insight or concern for child welfare?

I mean, many societies in the past have married off 12yo girls too, I guess that means you think it's okay to fukk little kids?




There is also little hope of rehabilitation for him.
The mental anguish of killing his own blood over rubbish will haunt his already disturbed mind if he even has a conscience. He has nothing to live for now or look forward to in life..he should have turned the gun on himself really.

It's sad to watch internet posters who don't know jack shyt about what they're saying show ignorance online with certainty.

You know nothing about what you're talking about. Literally nothing. There are centers devoted to successfully rehabilitating literal child psychopaths, there are plenty of rehabbed child soldiers who did far worse, but you think you know better about someone from reading one news story.
 

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At 14 he would be old enough to have fought in most wars throughout history.
Let us not pretend that a 14 year-old whilst still young, is mature enough to father a child etc. He is also equipped by 14 with more physical strength than any female of any age.
This is a teenager, not a pre teen.

There is also little hope of rehabilitation for him.
The mental anguish of killing his own blood over rubbish will haunt his already disturbed mind if he even has a conscience. He has nothing to live for now or look forward to in life..he should have turned the gun on himself really.
My grandmother always say you never know what's going on behind closed doors.
Sometimes you can get people to open up and its a lot of families going through this even with men in thier 30s.
Disrespectful towards their parents and getting high all day and night.
A lot of em spent time in prison also.
I am at the point where you can't win.
Calling the cops a no no because that's looked down upon.
Take action yourself you might end up in prison yourself.
All you can do is separated yourself from it but at the cost of your own family not being whole.
We really can't win...
 
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