Finding the Truth, Is It Possible?

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The truth is hidden right in front of your face. It's literally everywhere. The truth is even in the question "what is the truth?"

They tried to hide it but it can't be hidden. Instead, it can only go unnoticed by those who are unaware that the truth is right in front of them.

You know what the truth is. But they made you doubt it. That's the only power they have. The truth cannot be hidden.
 

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There may be a market for simply summarizing legislation in a non partisan way.

that would be dope. Though I'm not sure "market" is the right word, more like audience. In addition to a summary I think something along the lines of politifact that debunks or at least frames in a more objective way various ideological talking points.
 

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The term "truth" is ambiguous and not really as cut and dry as people here making it out to be.

As humans we look at reality from our own POV, and I'd argue that we can't completely divorce ourselves from it. We make judgements about the world based on our own knowledge and perception. It's how people are built. To think we can somehow ignore our own perception and make a neutral judgement on the "truth" seems naive. Maybe if you're talking about a math equation sure, but most real life situations are not that straightforward.
 

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In the context of what we are speaking political/economic news(im assuming), I think there are absolutely objective truths... and to deliver these objective truths, would be to divorce yourself from the issue.

If the news is about individuals(people not having a constant value as with math) than objective truth does become fuzzy.
 

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didnt read thru the whole thread but:

In regards to this thread, what do you mean by truth?

Like - the truth of a human situation or agenda? Or The Truth?
 

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i got something for this when i get a chance. need to get my thoughts together.
 
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WE do live this way as a society but I wonder how much is a lack of options? I view Fox and MSNBC as junk food. It's easier to get to but bad for you. A conscious effort has to be made in order to find the "good for you" information.

I think a large enough portion of society would RATHER get the "truth" vs the junk they get.
the thing with those left and right people you were hearing bickering about obamacare is that they could both be right. i look at obamacare now like the bible and it can be interpreted however anyone wants. it's changed from when it was introduced. and like the bible anyone that interpret it however they want to suit them.

and then there's those of us who are 'atheist' to obamacare. we don't give a fuq about it. we don't even want to get into the arguement about it.

for you who wants to understand it you have to read it yourself. (https://www.healthcare.gov/where-can-i-read-the-affordable-care-act/)

it would have been better to have been on top of it from day 1 to understand the changes it's taken to what it is today.
 

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Truth is inherent; everything else is fact, opinion and propaganda. To put it in another way, truth is what a thing is, facts are statistical and subject to change and variation, opinions conclude to form personal ideals, and propaganda slants the facts to persuade opinion.

All vie for the truth, yet truth always stands alone.
...suprising well said. Truth vs fact vs opinion vs propaganda...I'm only interested in delivering the truth...the known in regards to certain subjects devoid of opinion and propaganda...but not necissarily fact. Facts as you described them sometimes need to be given they key here IMHO would be delivering as many pro/con facts as possible to provide enough information for a person to reasonably digest any one particular issue.

The term "truth" is ambiguous and not really as cut and dry as people here making it out to be.

As humans we look at reality from our own POV, and I'd argue that we can't completely divorce ourselves from it. We make judgements about the world based on our own knowledge and perception. It's how people are built. To think we can somehow ignore our own perception and make a neutral judgement on the "truth" seems naive. Maybe if you're talking about a math equation sure, but most real life situations are not that straightforward.
I don't think that's necessarily true though. We as humans also have the ability to overcome that prejudice. If someone doesn't like something, let's say gay marriage, but is able to look at all the "truths" and arrive at the conclusion that there's nothing wrong with it isn't that the same thing. IMHO it takes looking past your own pride...which as humans is hard as all hell, but not impossible.
I've had discussions with people in things that they were die hard supporters of and when presented with truths/facts they did not change their opinion, it had nothing to do with their inability to understand but IMHO more to do with their pride in not wanting to be wrong. THAT as I see it is the issue one must tackle when trying to present truth. Most people are CAPABLE of being reasonable...but most people aren't reasonable when their perception of the truth is destroyed...what's the disconnect? I say pride.

Never the less I feel it would be possible to deliver "the truth" on a subject.

In the context of what we are speaking political/economic news(im assuming), I think there are absolutely objective truths... and to deliver these objective truths, would be to divorce yourself from the issue.
Which is more than possible.

If the news is about individuals(people not having a constant value as with math) than objective truth does become fuzzy.
yes and no. If it's about something they did, well you can clearly say John Smith robbed a bank. That's a truth. If you want to start opining on his motives then sure that's more objective but even in regards to people you can see truth...and "report" on it.

Question:
If you knew of a website that gave you both sides of an argument, and summarized it without conclusions being drawn out would that be valuable to you?
 

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Question:
If you knew of a website that gave you both sides of an argument, and summarized it without conclusions being drawn out would that be valuable to you?
As in, would a pay a subscription? or would I visit it regularly(traffic) it?:patrice:

If the latter, than absolutely.
 
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