Feminists keeping it classy at Toronto mens event.

[Un-AmericanDreamer]

Watch this video and you'll know what I'm talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0&feature=youtu.be

Dudes will justify the shyt because they think the means justify the ends but it does not. It's this whole if you don't agree with me 100%, you're an evil woman eating rapist . (And what's their obsession with rape? I get it, rape is a terrible crime but what do you want us to do about it? Minority report every man who thinks about it? And it's only about men, women are somehow excluded from doing foul shyt or being judged in a negative light. Women are not actors, they are something that gets acted upon like an empty vessel like an object or something, talk about objectification. It's almost comical how feminists equate rape to everything under the sun. Like where does the shyt end and where does it begin?)

People will sit up and front like it's just the radical ones that are on that, they're the loudest no doubt but I've yet to met a feminist who didn't believe
the feminist interpretation of the patriarchy theory model. There's not even an attempt at an balanced approach, its just one side is sugar spice and civil rights and the other side are anti-civil rights hating sexists . Talk about simple.

There's a lot of feminist dudes on this site, I use to be one of them but I actually started questioning the shyt and it just didn't add up for me. I respect the O.G. feminist movement but these new feminist are just compromised of self-hating men and koolaid drinkers. People have really bought into this idea that men got women in the matrix. That shyt is just jarring to me.

It's just blind simping. That shyt is belitting to anyone who's an adult. People really treat feminism like it's a god damn religion. I'm glad that Bill Maher went in on feminism, because progressive dudes are scared of approaching it intellectually and it's sad that we treat anything with level of dogma.

Truth be told I think a lot of feminist cats ride so hard with feminist because it feels right, men want to protect(see jarrell brooks) women but you can't be a slave to your impulses. You got to treat women like they are adults instead of children who need to be coddled every step of the way. If I refuse to catch a grenade or catch a bullet for you doesn't mean I hate you, it just means I care about my own preservation.

 

[zerozero]

looks like you got that off your chest.

 

[The Real]

One star thread. It's too bad, as you used to be a more thoughtful poster.

 

[zerozero]

I saw a bit of the video and I agree its kinda corny to run up in events trying to block them but I also think this kinda give and take is the normal route of controversial stuff these days.. protests, counter protests, blah blah... so the 'mens' rights advocates' should probably try to engage constructively with the other side rather than retreat into just being angry at these women

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

Congrats on your revelation friend i wouldnt suggest a man to be a feminist

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Have you ever talked to a Men's Rights Advocate? First thing they go to is talking about false rape accusations and shyt. I can't take any of those dudes seriously. Any more than i can extreme 'men are demons' feminists.

 

[The Real]

Have you ever talked to a Men's Rights Advocate? First thing they go to is talking about false rape accusations and shyt. I can't take any of those dudes seriously. Any more than i can extreme 'men are demons' feminists.

Men's rights advocates are the exact equivalent of white people who complain about anti-white racism all the time.

 

[Poppa_Dock]

thing is u got some salty c*nt who prob got her back blown out by her uncle is furious as fuk just randomly calling dudes scumbags

these woman need to chill bc if that was me i would have spat in that bytches eyeball

 

[Type Username Here]

Men's rights advocates are the exact equivalent of white people who complain about anti-white racism all the time.

Are they?

So what about men trying to fight for equality under the law when it comes to their children and guardianship?

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Are they?

So what about men trying to fight for equality under the law when it comes to their children and guardianship?

Nobody denies that men are disadvantaged in several areas; divorce settlements, being seen as expendable, lower life expectancies, no advocacy for male rape victims, drafting for military inequality etc etc. But i have never seen even a decent MRA site or board, and I've looked. shyt just reads like TLR/JBO.

 

[The Real]

Are they?

So what about men trying to fight for equality under the law when it comes to their children and guardianship?

Those who are part of the men's rights movement are loons, because they believe that the custody issue is a microcosm of society's treatment of men on the whole, and also misrepresent much of the issue using doctored stats and facts. In addition, they also ignore the wealth of empirical studies about women as parents that are used by the courts to justify their decisions, instead of actively dealing with them.

The reasonable men dealing with that same issue, on the other hand, recognize that patriarchy is at the root of their problem, too, since it is those same patriarchally-created gender roles that stereotype women as the supposedly-natural caretakers of children at men's expense, thus biasing the courts towards them. The studies indicating that women are "better" caretakers are themselves the product of a patriarchal society in which caretaking as a set of techniques and expectations was imposed on/invested in women and not men, so it makes perfect sense. There is a real irony in men's rights advocates, who constantly complain about women leaving their "proper" place in the home and losing their "femininity" then complaining when the courts act on that same stereotype (and the reality it has produced) and give women the custody of the children. In other words, the good activists working on that issue are part of the feminist movement.

One of the things some men fail to realize about feminism is that it always included space for dealing with what men have to suffer from the patriarchal standards they themselves set up. In the same way that James Baldwin and Frantz Fanon talked about the inadvertent problems experienced by white folks at the hands of their own racial construct, there have always been feminists who talk about men's problems. Another great example of this is the case of male domestic violence victims. The only people I know really working on that issue are feminist organizations, because they know and understand that patriarchy is precisely part of why there is a culture of silence around that issue- men aren't supposed to be victims of violence and abuse according to our gender roles. You might see men's rights groups complaining about male domestic violence as a way to try and lash out at feminists, but all the latest research, advocacy, and support programs for male victims are coming from feminist organizations, not from mens' groups. Many of these orgs have working groups for and led by men. Having done some activist work on race issues, I have seen this firsthand in a number of places.

Unfortunately, the stereotype of feminism propogated by mens' rights people is of a destructive and extremist camp that only wants to demonize men rather than engage productively with them, and so that minority of extremists are the feminists you see constantly portrayed in patriarchal or mens' rights-oriented media like the video in the OP.

 

[TrueEpic08]

Those who are part of the men's rights movement are loons, because they believe that the custody issue is a microcosm of society's treatment of men on the whole, and also misrepresent much of the issue using doctored stats and facts. In addition, they also ignore the wealth of empirical studies about women as parents that are used by the courts to justify their decisions, instead of actively dealing with them.

The reasonable men dealing with that same issue, on the other hand, recognize that patriarchy is at the root of their problem, too, since it is those same patriarchally-created gender roles that stereotype women as the supposedly-natural caretakers of children, thus biasing the courts towards them. In other words, they are part of the feminist movement.

One of the things some men fail to realize about feminism is that it always included space for dealing with what men have to suffer from the patriarchal standards they themselves set up. In the same way that James Baldwin and Frantz Fanon talked about the inadvertent problems experienced by white folks at the hands of their own racial construct, there have always been feminists who talk about men's problems. Another great example of this is the case of male domestic violence victims. The only people I know really working on that issue are feminist organizations, because they know and understand that patriarchy is precisely part of why there is a culture of silence around that issue- men aren't supposed to be victims of violence and abuse according to our gender roles. You might see men's rights groups complaining about male domestic violence as a way to try and lash out at feminists, but all the latest research, advocacy, and support programs for male victims are coming from feminist organizations, not from mens' groups. Many of these orgs have working groups for and led by men. Having done some activist work on race issues, I have seen this firsthand in a number of places.

Unfortunately, the stereotype of feminism propogated by mens' rights people is of a destructive and extremist camp that only wants to demonize men rather than engage productively with them, and so that minority of extremists are the feminists you see constantly portrayed in patriarchal or mens' rights-oriented media like the video in the OP.

Excellent post. Saved me a couple hundred words.

Also, having been in the social work field outside of my studies, I can attest to what @The Real is saying here, both on a activist/praxis level and on an academic level as well. When it comes to the negative connotations of societal images of men, often times those "men's rights organizations" (not necessarily men, like he said) are not only the ones not doing anything, but implicitly propagating those same images and models of what the divided gender roles are that lead to these problems.

 

[Type Username Here]

Those who are part of the men's rights movement are loons, because they believe that the custody issue is a microcosm of society's treatment of men on the whole, and also misrepresent much of the issue using doctored stats and facts. In addition, they also ignore the wealth of empirical studies about women as parents that are used by the courts to justify their decisions, instead of actively dealing with them.

The reasonable men dealing with that same issue, on the other hand, recognize that patriarchy is at the root of their problem, too, since it is those same patriarchally-created gender roles that stereotype women as the supposedly-natural caretakers of children at men's expense, thus biasing the courts towards them. The studies indicating that women are "better" caretakers are themselves the product of a patriarchal society in which caretaking as a set of techniques and expectations was imposed on/invested in women and not men, so it makes perfect sense. There is a real irony in men's rights advocates, who constantly complain about women leaving their "proper" place in the home and losing their "femininity" then complaining when the courts act on that same stereotype (and the reality it has produced) and give women the custody of the children. In other words, the good activists working on that issue are part of the feminist movement.

One of the things some men fail to realize about feminism is that it always included space for dealing with what men have to suffer from the patriarchal standards they themselves set up. In the same way that James Baldwin and Frantz Fanon talked about the inadvertent problems experienced by white folks at the hands of their own racial construct, there have always been feminists who talk about men's problems. Another great example of this is the case of male domestic violence victims. The only people I know really working on that issue are feminist organizations, because they know and understand that patriarchy is precisely part of why there is a culture of silence around that issue- men aren't supposed to be victims of violence and abuse according to our gender roles. You might see men's rights groups complaining about male domestic violence as a way to try and lash out at feminists, but all the latest research, advocacy, and support programs for male victims are coming from feminist organizations, not from mens' groups. Many of these orgs have working groups for and led by men. Having done some activist work on race issues, I have seen this firsthand in a number of places.

Unfortunately, the stereotype of feminism propogated by mens' rights people is of a destructive and extremist camp that only wants to demonize men rather than engage productively with them, and so that minority of extremists are the feminists you see constantly portrayed in patriarchal or mens' rights-oriented media like the video in the OP.

Excellent post. Saved me a couple hundred words.

Also, having been in the social work field outside of my studies, I can attest to what @The Real is saying here, both on a activist/praxis level and on an academic level as well. When it comes to the negative connotations of societal images of men, often times those "men's rights organizations" (not necessarily men, like he said) are not only the ones not doing anything, but implicitly propagating those same images and models of what the divided gender roles are that lead to these problems.

Didn't think of it that way. Thank you both for making me think about it from a different perspective.

 

[Binary]

Makes us look bad. I do support some parts of feminism but I also believe in total equality (men and women equal on all fronts). These are first year psychology students living by their womens studies textbooks. They make me sick.

 

[zerozero]

Another great example of this is the case of male domestic violence victims. The only people I know really working on that issue are feminist organizations, because they know and understand that patriarchy is precisely part of why there is a culture of silence around that issue- men aren't supposed to be victims of violence and abuse according to our gender roles. You might see men's rights groups complaining about male domestic violence as a way to try and lash out at feminists, but all the latest research, advocacy, and support programs for male victims are coming from feminist organizations, not from mens' groups.

great point