Female homosexuality partially hereditary, but erotic "plasticity" still unexplained
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How goes hanging out on the corner of 25th and broadway screaming at people while wearing a carpet breh?
edit: oh wait, forgot you were british
i think its a product of the estrogens in their system 
hormones are a powerful thing
hormones are a powerful thing
This is a reply to all of you. My original point was this:
Homosexuality as a viable sustainable lifestyle is an idea that exists only in the human species.
Yes there are instances of homosexual activites in the wild, but no animal can be exclusively homosexual. In all of the instances of homosexuality in the wild, the males still have sexual intercourse with females for the sole purpose of reproduction. Therefore the animals are not homosexual because again the definition of homosexuality is:
Homosexuality is a sexual orientation characterized by esthetic attraction, romantic love, or sexual desire exclusively for another of the same sex.
Again no animal does this but humans.
Did you guys even read your own article?
Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity
This is from your article and it proves my point.
You guys have insulted me, called me an imbecile. And I've done nothing but proved my point with scientific facts. I have not insulted or passed judgement on anyone. Yet you guys want to frame me as wrong.
And for good measure the definition of abnormal is:
deviating from the normal or average : unusual, exceptional <abnormal behavior>
By definition homosexuality is abnormal. Doesn't make it wrong or right just abnormal.
Homosexuality as a viable sustainable lifestyle is an idea that exists only in the human species.
Yes there are instances of homosexual activites in the wild, but no animal can be exclusively homosexual. In all of the instances of homosexuality in the wild, the males still have sexual intercourse with females for the sole purpose of reproduction. Therefore the animals are not homosexual because again the definition of homosexuality is:
Homosexuality is a sexual orientation characterized by esthetic attraction, romantic love, or sexual desire exclusively for another of the same sex.
Again no animal does this but humans.
Did you guys even read your own article?
Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity
This is from your article and it proves my point.
You guys have insulted me, called me an imbecile. And I've done nothing but proved my point with scientific facts. I have not insulted or passed judgement on anyone. Yet you guys want to frame me as wrong.
And for good measure the definition of abnormal is:
deviating from the normal or average : unusual, exceptional <abnormal behavior>
By definition homosexuality is abnormal. Doesn't make it wrong or right just abnormal.
Angel On The Rag
I'm bloody hungry!!
homosexual is wrong because they dont want to procreate
and any living organism that wishes to not procreate is wrong/not fit for survival
also, frogs and fish change sex in order to balance the gender ratio if they are low on females/males, that is kind of like homosexuality
RhymesWell
All Star
I just wanna know why lipstick lesbians like these ugly butch bytches who ain't real men. lol. Like for real? why?
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Homosexuality is not made up by humans. Homosexuality exists in other animals, that is a fact. Wtf does whether or not the species can survive if all of them were homosexuals have to do with anything? No one's saying that that would be the case.
I'm trying to follow your logic, I can't see any.
"Species would go extinct if they were all homosexual, so therefore humans created homosexuality?"
Okay...and your point is??? For what it's worth, chimpanzees are our closest relatives and they've been documented to exhibit homosexuality. Is Homosexuality "Immoral"? Let's Ask the Animals | Psychology Today
And relatively speaking, sheep are pretty closely-related to humans on the grand branch of animal life...they're mammals. That's close enough. But your point is null and void anyway.
lol...so? So do our cousins, the chimpanzees and bonobos...in their naturals environments. You're stretching real hard, bruh.
ethology - Are there examples of exclusive homosexuality in non-human animals? - SkepticsAnimal Homosexuality: A Biosocial Perspective - Aldo Poiani, A. F. Dixson - Google Books
If you actually read the link, you would see that the ram study showed that there are rams who exclusively have sex with the same sex.
More...
Researchers find bisexual and exclusively gay dolphins - msnNOW
‘Gay’ Penguins to Be Separated at Toronto Zoo - ABC News
Again, you're wrong. You haven't even bothered to research the issue and you're just making things up in order to suit your bias.
I don't know about identifying or not, but more than 1-5% of people are gay.
What Percentage of the Population Is Gay?
You don't know that. You're exhibiting a very simplistic understanding of evolution. Every gene or trait that is linked to some behavior or characteristic may not be exclusive to and for that trait, and there are plenty of traits that serve no purpose whatsoever in terms of efficient transfer of genes to the F1 generation, such as the coccyx, appendix, and men with nipples. Also, homosexuality isn't 100% genetic, it's dimensional just like almost every other behavioral trait one can imagine, and the gene loci that would account for it do not exist exclusively to provide whatever chemical ratios result in propensity toward homosexuality, and those genes obviously reside in many straight people as well.
You obviously have some very strong issues antipathy and resentment toward homosexuals. You made a thread called "I'm starting to hate fakkits" and you said you look at homos the same way you look at crackheads. You're obviously trying to reason your way into justifying your hatred or fear and you're failing at it miserably. Just be real and say "I hate fukking fakkit sodomites" like that idiot Radamiir. You've already showed your hand.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Posts like this are why Higher Learning will probably never live up to it's name, Radamiir. Go build an IED or spray acid on school girls or something. Keep fukking with me and I'm going to forward some of your old know the ledge posts to U. S. Homeland Security and British M16.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
But you haven't presented any scientific facts. You haven't even researched the issue, you're just making shyt up to try and suit your bias. In my previous post I linked several documented cases of exclusive homosexuality among animals.
Homosexuality is not made up by humans. Homosexuality exists in other animals, that is a fact. Wtf does whether or not the species can survive if all of them were homosexuals have to do with anything? No one's saying that that would be the case.
I'm trying to follow your logic, I can't see any.
"Species would go extinct if they were all homosexual, so therefore humans created homosexuality?"
Okay...and your point is??? For what it's worth, chimpanzees are our closest relatives and they've been documented to exhibit homosexuality. Is Homosexuality "Immoral"? Let's Ask the Animals | Psychology Today
And relatively speaking, sheep are pretty closely-related to humans on the grand branch of animal life...they're mammals. That's close enough. But your point is null and void anyway.
lol...so? So do our cousins, the chimpanzees and bonobos...in their naturals environments. You're stretching real hard, bruh.
Animal Homosexuality: A Biosocial Perspective - Aldo Poiani, A. F. Dixson - Google Books
If you actually read the link, you would see that the ram study showed that there are rams who exclusively have sex with the same sex.
More...
Researchers find bisexual and exclusively gay dolphins - msnNOW
Gay Penguins to Be Separated at Toronto Zoo - ABC News
Again, you're wrong. You haven't even bothered to research the issue and you're just making things up in order to suit your bias.
I don't know about identifying or not, but more than 1-5% of people are gay.
What Percentage of the Population Is Gay?
You don't know that. You're exhibiting a very simplistic understanding of evolution. Every gene or trait that is linked to some behavior or characteristic may not be exclusive to and for that trait, and there are plenty of traits that serve no purpose whatsoever in terms of efficient transfer of genes to the F1 generation, such as the coccyx, appendix, and men with nipples. Also, homosexuality isn't 100% genetic, it's dimensional just like almost every other behavioral trait one can imagine, and the gene loci that would account for it do not exist exclusively to provide whatever chemical ratios result in propensity toward homosexuality, and those genes obviously reside in many straight people as well.
You obviously have some very strong issues antipathy and resentment toward homosexuals. You made a thread called "I'm starting to hate fakkits" and you said you look at homos the same way you look at crackheads. You're obviously trying to reason your way into justifying your hatred or fear and you're failing at it miserably. Just be real and say "I hate fukking fakkit sodomites" like that idiot Radamiir. You've already showed your hand.
You can post all the bogus wiki articles on inconclusive studies as you want it still doesn't make them correct. Again you keep trying to frame me as wrong and a hateful person when I have not passed judgement on anyone. It is you that seems to be very judgemental and hateful toward me.
Reading wiki articles is not reaserch. If you knew anything about biology and how and why species evolve you would understand what I am trying to say.
Googling "homosexual animals" and posting whatever article supports your position is not real research.
Again the animals may perform sexual activities with the same sex. But at the end of the day they are still having sex with the opposite sex to procreate. The definition of homosexual entails exclusivity with the same sex. Even the bogus article you posted about exclusive homosexuality says they can't find or prove an instance of exclusive homosexual sex.
Again evolutionarily speaking an exclusively gay animal would be at a severe disadvantage to non homosexual animals. Because they can't reproduce.
valet
The official Chaplain of the Coli
because they're attracted to masculinity. Which to me shows they want a man but it's some other factors going on.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
lol...just stop it man. What do you mean bogus article and wiki links? Those are links to peer-reviewed primary scientific literature. They're not bogus just because you don't want to believe them.
You started with homosexuality is invented by humans. Then it was pointed out that homosexuality exists among other animals with evidence. Then you said there's no exclusive homosexuality among animals. Then it was pointed out that exclusive homosexuality exists among among with evidence. Then you just said the studies are bogus.
You obviously have some issues with homosexuals and you're attempting to try and skew facts to tailor them to your anti-homosexual stance, that's why you're falling short. People do it all the time when they have some bias they want to stubbornly cling to.
You started a thread called "I'm starting to hate fakkits" and you said you view homosexuals in the same way you do crack addicts.
You're obviously not an objective party here for an honest inquiry into the facts.
I've seen this both times I went to the middle east in three different nations. I want to believe it's not true, but I think it has a lot to do with culture. In America it’s pretty obvious why a chick will think about doing some gay sh1t at a very early age.I think that it is the exact same way with men, only we are socialized different. Here in the middle east, where the sexes are completely segregated for much of their lives and you got bytches wrapped up in beekeeper suits all day, men will suck and fukk other men like it's nothingNo exaggeration at all. Man love Thursdays are REAL. It doesn't even register to some of these nikkaz that that shyt is gay.
Men and women are equally predisposed to have fluid sexualities, it's the cultural pressures and mores that make it express differently.
“Very common” is an overstatement, but there are animals that do it at rates higher than humans. There are also animals that kill themselves and do other strange things. It's a biological error when animals perform homosexual acts.
If the animals have made it this far in their evolution based on doing things that promoted the advancement of their species… where does homo acts fit it that mix? How do animals doing homo things promote that organism and how do we know that behavior will not be lost over time? I don’t see these acts as being homo for the sake of being attracted to the same sex.
Are we supposed to look at extreme causes like bonobos apes as indicators as to why human women kiss each other at parties (when we know it’s cultural)? Most animals engage in sex for reproduction. We can fool ourselves into seeing animals with homo behavior, as some sort of manifestation of gay=normal behavior for Earth's organisms. It's not.
Over 1000 animal species perform some degree of homosexual behavior… and not one of those species to we fully understand the behavior enough to make conclusions about our own behavior. Our behavior isn't as controlled by instinct as other animals. With other animals, factors and conditions beyond instinct produce certain extreme behaviors in those animals. Even some of the homo acting animals you all point out.. Are only acting that way as a form of bonding and building social relationship…. Let’s not pretend this is why humans do it or pretend that we don’t have 100’s of other factors that can influence our sexuality other than simply being born.
lol...just stop it man. What do you mean bogus article and wiki links? Those are links to peer-reviewed primary scientific literature. They're not bogus just because you don't want to believe them.
You started with homosexuality is invented by humans. Then it was pointed out that homosexuality exists among other animals with evidence. Then you said there's no exclusive homosexuality among animals. Then it was pointed out that exclusive homosexuality exists among among with evidence. Then you just said the studies are bogus.
You obviously have some issues with homosexuals and you're attempting to try and skew facts to tailor them to your anti-homosexual stance, that's why you're falling short. People do it all the time when they have some bias they want to stubbornly cling to.
You started a thread called "I'm starting to hate fakkits" and you said you view homosexuals in the same way you do crack addicts.
There is no such thing as non exclusive homosexuality. The definition of homosexuality entails exclusivity. None of the articles you posted has any example of exclusive homosexuality in the wild.
This is what you posted as PROOF of exclusive homosexuality in animals.
ethology - Are there examples of exclusive homosexuality in non-human animals? - Skeptics
Nowhere in that article does it show proof of exclusive homosexuality among animals. In fact it just links you back to the same wiki article that i got this exerpt from.
Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity
This proves my point, yes animals engage in homosexual activities but there is no evidence of exclusive homosexual animals with no predisposition to engage in sexual activity with the opposite sex.
Researchers find bisexual and exclusively gay dolphins - msnNOW
This article proves nothing, the information has not been peer reviewed or researched any further than what two scientists have observed.
Did they study if the male homosexual groups actully mate with females at all?Did they study the effects of this homosexual behavior on the dolphin population? Could the dolphins be practicing for when they come across a female?
Without answering these questions we cannot clasify these dolphins as homosexual by definition. Yes those are homosexual activities but it has not been proven that they are exclusively homosexual.
Just because the title of your two paragraph article says "homosexual animals" doesn't mean there are homosexual animals. Your own evidence contradicts your assertion that there are fully homosexual animals I the wild.
Animal Homosexuality: A Biosocial Perspective - Aldo Poiani, A. F. Dixson - Google Books
^^^^^ a link to a book that none of us have read, and that has not been studied and accepted by the scientific comunity is not proof of anything.
Toronto Zoo to separate two "gay" penguins so that they can breed.
^^^^^ The FIRST line from your gay zoo penguins article. If they separate them so they can breed than they are not homosexual, just in captivity exhibiting abnormal behavior.
Remember the definition on homosexuality.
Homosexuality is a sexual orientation characterized by esthetic attraction, romantic love, or sexual desire exclusively for another of the same sex.
^^^^^ there is NO evidence of ANY animal that meets this definition not in your articles not anywhere.
While most expert estimates place America's homosexual population at 10% or less, Americans tend to guess that the number is higher, around 20%.
^^^^ from your article about percentages of homosexual people. Again the article has not been researched reviewed or accepted by the scientific community. And again your own evidence disproved your point. Saying Americans GUESS homosexuality is at about 20% proves nothing at all.
So I say again the idea of homosexuality as a viable and sustainable lifestyle only exists within the human species. Yes animals socialize and bond in ways we might call homosexual but they still have intercourse with the opposite sex.
The only reasons humans are able to peruse homosexual lifestyles is because the human race has made it possible to continue to live and thrive and even pass genes on while still being totally homosexual.
Also lastly you keep bringing up the other thread title. Although it has nothing to do with this conversation. Another poster called me on it for the divisiveness and intolerance the title presented. I agreed with him I apologized and I changed the thread title.
And lastly I never compared homosexuals to crackheads. I compared the gene that makes people predisposed to be an addict to the gene that makes people predisposed to being gay. They both are natural evolutionary deviations but one is frowned upon. One is championed. In my eyes if gay people should be allowed to be gay without persecution (which I AGREE with) than people with the addict gene should be allowed to be crackheads without persecution(Which I also agree with) evolutionarily speaking they are one in the same, a genetic mutation that changes behavior.(the genes are the same NOT the people)
