Female homosexuality partially hereditary, but erotic "plasticity" still unexplained

[Prez2032]

I read that verse twice, and it seems like only male homosexuality is emphasized as being unseemly and really disgusting. The thoughts and feelings on lesbians is vague and kind of left open to interpretation.

I've always wondered why that was never fully dealt with. It could be that even though there were no "male or female, jew or gentile" in the new Christian church, the role of women were still seen as subordinate and in theory less vital than the roles of men. Therefore, their activities might not have been of the utmost importance to St. Paul.

 

[Habit]

I've always wondered why that was never fully dealt with. It could be that even though there were no "male or female, jew or gentile" in the new Christian church, the role of women were still seen as subordinate and in theory less vital than the roles of men. Therefore, their activities might not have been of the utmost importance to St. Paul.

I'm having a hard time making that connection. I can only take it at face value, and the objection to male homosexuality is much more forceful from what I read.

 

[Serious]

I think that it is the exact same way with men, only we are socialized different. Here in the middle east, where the sexes are completely segregated for much of their lives and you got bytches wrapped up in beekeeper suits all day, men will suck and fukk other men like it's nothing No exaggeration at all. Man love Thursdays are REAL. It doesn't even register to some of these nikkaz that that shyt is gay.

Men and women are equally predisposed to have fluid sexualities, it's the cultural pressures and mores that make it express differently.

underrated post......

I've been to a couple countries where "straight" males were a little more friendly with other males. I was kind of repulsed when I saw males holding hands and resting upon each other. Something along the lines of this, (no homo)



This made me conclude that sensual vibe, we commonly associate with females, maybe a unisex thing. The only thing prohibiting this motion are gender social constructs which Western Countries (America) abide by....

 

[villain]

I think that it is the exact same way with men, only we are socialized different. Here in the middle east, where the sexes are completely segregated for much of their lives and you got bytches wrapped up in beekeeper suits all day, men will suck and fukk other men like it's nothing No exaggeration at all. Man love Thursdays are REAL. It doesn't even register to some of these nikkaz that that shyt is gay.

Men and women are equally predisposed to have fluid sexualities, it's the cultural pressures and mores that make it express differently.

definitely think it has to do with culture. I've found that folks from euro countries are more comfortable with male/male sexuality than us in the US. I remember watching Y Tu Mama Tambien and they had the two childhood friends jackin off next to each other and playin around in the showers like shyt was wavy

 

[blackzeus]

definitely think it has to do with culture. I've found that folks from euro countries are more comfortable with male/male sexuality than us in the US. I remember watching Y Tu Mama Tambien and they had the two childhood friends jackin off next to each other and playin around in the showers like shyt was wavy

Latino males

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I think that it is the exact same way with men, only we are socialized different. Here in the middle east, where the sexes are completely segregated for much of their lives and you got bytches wrapped up in beekeeper suits all day, men will suck and fukk other men like it's nothing No exaggeration at all. Man love Thursdays are REAL. It doesn't even register to some of these nikkaz that that shyt is gay.

Men and women are equally predisposed to have fluid sexualities, it's the cultural pressures and mores that make it express differently.

Naw, sexuality itself was made up by culture. In natures eyes the only reason to engage in sexual activity is to reproduce. Man can't reproduce with man so the entire idea of gay was made up by human culture.

In those countries that are more open with male sexuality, there is no equality between men and women. Man is in so much control that nobody will question them on that gay shyt so they do what they wanna do.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Naw, sexuality itself was made up by culture. In natures eyes the only reason to engage in sexual activity is to reproduce. Man can't reproduce with man so the entire idea of gay was made up by human culture.

You're wrong. Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[blackzeus]

You're wrong. Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One species in which exclusive homosexual orientation occurs, however, is that of domesticated sheep (Ovis aries).[8][9] "About 10% of rams (males) refuse to mate with ewes (females) but do readily mate with other rams.

So that's why them Greeks loved them goats so much

Now I know why Baby calls himself the Birdman, at these gay azz ducks.

Courtship, mounting, and full anal penetration between bulls has been noted to occur among American Bison. The Mandan nation Okipa festival concludes with a ceremonial enactment of this behavior, to "ensure the return of the buffalo in the coming season."[52] Also, mounting of one female by another is common among cattle.

Damn, the Native Americans were gay too

 

[MeachTheMonster]

You're wrong. Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are one eyed fish in the wild too, that doesnt make them normal or a useful evolutionary adaptation.


Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity

A quote from your own article that proves my point. Doesn't matter if it happens in the wild it's still an abnormal behavioral activity.

 

[The Real]

There are one eyed fish in the wild too, that doesnt make them normal or a useful evolutionary adaptation.

Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity

A quote from your own article that proves my point. Doesn't matter if it happens in the wild it's still an abnormal behavioral activity.

You seem to be conflating statistical abnormality and abnormality as a judgement of value. Something's rarity does not specifically reflect on whether it is good or bad.

Your point about useful evolutionary adaptation is also suspect- there are many ways animals use sexuality that go beyond reproduction, and homosexual behavior is often included there, too. Pleasure, social bonds, etc, are all not exclusive to humans. Again, though, that itself doesn't make homoesexuality good or bad. Basically, thinking in functionalist terms here (everything has or needs a place in the evolutionary scheme/must be geared towards reproduction to be good) isn't useful, because a great deal of what evolution has produced is neutral with regards to reproduction (most mutations, for example, are neither positive or negative.)

 

[MeachTheMonster]

You seem to be conflating statistical abnormality and abnormality as a judgement of value. Something's rarity does not specifically reflect on whether it is good or bad.

Your point about useful evolutionary adaptation is also suspect- there are many ways animals use sexuality that go beyond reproduction, and homosexual behavior is often included there, too. Pleasure, social bonds, etc, are all not exclusive to humans. Again, though, that itself doesn't make homoesexuality good or bad. Basically, thinking in functionalist terms here (everything has or needs a place in the evolutionary scheme/must be geared towards reproduction to be good) isn't useful, because a great deal of what evolution has produced is neutral with regards to reproduction (most mutations, for example, are neither positive or negative.)

I never said it was good or bad, just abnormal. Humans can bond and interact socially WITHOUT sex. I said in nature the only reason to perform sexual intercourse is to produce. Therefore the idea of "sexuality" was made up by society. Yes some animals perform acts that we humans may call homosexual. But as far as evolution is concerned homosexual intercourse is of no benefit to a species.

Put it this way, if all humans decided to go gay tomorow, the human race would cease to exist because there would be no reproduction.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

There are one eyed fish in the wild too, that doesnt make them normal or a useful evolutionary adaptation.

Now you're switching your argument to something different. You said humans invented homosexuality because sex is about reproduction. That is obviously not the case, that's why I cited the existence of homosexuality in other animals.

Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity

A quote from your own article that proves my point. Doesn't matter if it happens in the wild it's still an abnormal behavioral activity.

How common it is among animals is neither here nor there. Humans are animals too, and there are different rates of homosexuality among different animals species. The prevalence of homosexuality among animals is still an incomplete picture because to get an accurate picture, that would require 24 hour study of communities of various different animals.

I believe something like 8-10% of humans are homosexual, and it was was shown that about 12% of male sheep engage in homosexuality activities. In other animals, homosexuality is more prevalent. Dolphins for instance engage in Caligula-like homosexual orgies with high frequency. The Real posted a thread a little while back about how penguins commonly engage in homosexual sex and necrophilia. You're not really making any point by making some one-size-fits-all assumption that homosexuality is not common among other animals, when in reality it is more common than humans in some species and less common in others.

And "abnormal" essentially means nothing in terms of behavior. It just indicates a statistical outlier. It's not to be confused with a value judgment.

 

[MouseTeeth]

I think it also has a lot to do with the fact that women know men find lesbian acts exciting and extremely sexy. When women make out w each other or bring another grl into the bedroom for a threesome it's more to turn the man on than anything. Plus movies, tv, etc pump images of female sexuality down our throats as something that's totally acceptable and normal for girls to experiment. I guarantee things wouldn't b so open if lesbianism was reviled by American society as a whole.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Now you're switching your argument to something different. You said humans invented homosexuality because sex is about reproduction. That is obviously not the case, that's why I cited the existence of homosexuality in other animals.


How common it is among animals is neither here nor there. Humans are animals too, and there are different rates of homosexuality among different animals species. The prevalence of homosexuality among animals is still an incomplete picture because to get an accurate picture, that would require 24 hour study of communities of various different animals.

I believe something like 8-10% of humans are homosexual, and it was was shown that about 12% of male sheep engage in homosexuality activities. In other animals, homosexuality is more prevalent. Dolphins for instance engage in Caligula-like homosexual orgies with high frequency. The Real posted a thread a little while back about how penguins commonly engage in homosexual sex and necrophilia. You're not really making any point by making some one-size-fits-all assumption that homosexuality is not common among other animals, when in reality it is more common than humans in some species and less common in others.

And "abnormal" essentially means nothing in terms of behavior. It just indicates a statistical outlier. It's not to be confused with a value judgment.

There is no "homosexuality" in animals. The entire concept of homosexuality is made up by humans. Your article you keep quoting proves that. Yes animals engage in what we humans might call "homosexual" activities. But the actual act of sexual intercourse is for the sole purpose of reproduction. No animal species can thrive on an exclusively "homosexual" lifestyle. Therefore the concept of "being homosexual" is made up by humans.'

Second you quote all these animals that do these activities but none of them are remotely close to the human species. The article clearly states it is DOMESTICATED sheep that engage in the activities. These are animals that have been taken from their natural environment and bred to be food. This is an abnormal activity in an abnormal situation. The entire event of the dolphin orgies ends up with the females getting pregnant, therefore the dolphins arent homosexual either.

Here is the definition if homosexuality:
Homosexuality is a sexual orientation characterized by esthetic attraction, romantic love, or sexual desire exclusively for another of the same sex.

No animal does this. Not one

Also studies gave shown it is actually between 1% to 5% of people who identify as gay.

Studies have also shown that being gay could be genetic. And as with every genetic change or difference among a species. If it is an advantage the trait will prevail and pass on to more of the species. If it is a disadvantage it usually dies out or goes dormant within the species. If humans didn't have science to help homosexuals reproduce than they would die out because they can't reproduce. Yes the genes might pop up over time but in no way are they useful or sustainable within the race.

 

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