Feels like WWE crowds have turned smarky overnight

[Cattle Mutilation]

It's weird to say things like this... I can agree with the singing part and all that, but how do people want fresh, new content and claim they're tired of the same ol' same ol', Seth becoming "serious heel in a suit that hates the fans #469754" in a week is the answer? That would be every heel in the whole company if that was the only way to be a heel.

I think fans (and people in general) are just this way these days- they like the heels. It's in almost every facet of life right now- people celebrate and joke about (even on themselves) toxicity and narcissism, being kind barely gets rewarded, and look at who the gotdamn president is. We've circled back around to the Attitude Era in a way as it relates to wrestling.

Another thing, as noted earlier in the thread is that heels have become more nuanced writing-wise- they're not just out there saying the local sports team sucks- they're giving reasons that actually aren't wrong as to why they do what they do. Yeah, Drew McIntyre is a heel- but the people he hates all did him wrong at some point, why shouldn't he? Heyman turned on Roman, but Roman left this MF high and dry after ManiaXL and put him in a dangerous predicament- why shouldn't he? People like Jacob Fatu because he's the most vicious and unpredictable out of Solo's crew and he's not done a thing to be liked - 30 years ago, that's undoubtedly a heel. People are out here rootin' for the bad guys. The only heels they seem not to cheer are the stone-faced, completely antagonistic ones that almost border on boring, but again, everybody can't play that same character. I don't wanna see Seth Rollins turn into Gunther.

The thing about heels giving valid reasons why they are heels is logical writing but what’s logical isn’t always good. If you make it entirely logical people can be like “well that makes 100% sense then. I may not have made the same decision you made but I respect the thought process and the facts you presented to come to that decision.”

When they do that, what they really should be doing is finding a small detail that is indeed true, exaggerating it, then blowing it completely out of proportion. You want logic behind it, but you need to twist and distort it to get the reaction you want. We need it to make sense, but we also need a reason to say “you know what? fukk that guy.”

 

[Cattle Mutilation]

The thing about heels giving valid reasons why they are heels is logical writing but what’s logical isn’t always good. If you make it entirely logical people can be like “well that makes 100% sense then. I may not have made the same decision you made but I respect the thought process and the facts you presented to come to that decision.”

When they do that, what they really should be doing is finding a small detail that is indeed true, exaggerating it, then blowing it completely out of proportion. You want logic behind it, but you need to twist and distort it to get the reaction you want. We need it to make sense, but we also need a reason to say “you know what? fukk that guy.”

Like you want a good example of that? See FTR’s explanation for turning on Cope.

 

[MenacingMonk]

It's weird to say things like this... I can agree with the singing part and all that, but how do people want fresh, new content and claim they're tired of the same ol' same ol', Seth becoming "serious heel in a suit that hates the fans #469754" in a week is the answer? That would be every heel in the whole company if that was the only way to be a heel.

I think fans (and people in general) are just this way these days- they like the heels. It's in almost every facet of life right now- people celebrate and joke about (even on themselves) toxicity and narcissism, being kind barely gets rewarded, and look at who the gotdamn president is. We've circled back around to the Attitude Era in a way as it relates to wrestling.

Another thing, as noted earlier in the thread is that heels have become more nuanced writing-wise- they're not just out there saying the local sports team sucks- they're giving reasons that actually aren't wrong as to why they do what they do. Yeah, Drew McIntyre is a heel- but the people he hates all did him wrong at some point, why shouldn't he? Heyman turned on Roman, but Roman left this MF high and dry after ManiaXL and put him in a dangerous predicament- why shouldn't he? People like Jacob Fatu because he's the most vicious and unpredictable out of Solo's crew and he's not done a thing to be liked - 30 years ago, that's undoubtedly a heel. People are out here rootin' for the bad guys. The only heels they seem not to cheer are the stone-faced, completely antagonistic ones that almost border on boring, but again, everybody can't play that same character. I don't wanna see Seth Rollins turn into Gunther.

There’s other ways to make him a heel, but the example I listed is the easiest way to get heat. Look at Ricochet. Dude spent his entire career as a face and he’s been killing it since he became a heel.

Seth has done nothing for his character to make him come off like a heel. That’s why he shoulda had a character change. It’s Wrestling 101.

 

[DANJ!]

There’s other ways to make him a heel, but the example I listed is the easiest way to get heat. Look at Ricochet. Dude spent his entire career as a face and he’s been killing it since he became a heel.

Seth has done nothing for his character to make him come off like a heel. That’s why he shoulda had a character change. It’s Wrestling 101.

OK, but that's Ricochet... who outside of his in-ring abilities has never been an interesting character at all. Of course this is working for him, 'cause he finally has a personality.

Seth Rollins isn't at a point in his career where "you fans suck and so do the Chiefs" is the only thing he can do.

 

[MenacingMonk]

OK, but that's Ricochet... who outside of his in-ring abilities has never been an interesting character at all. Of course this is working for him, 'cause he finally has a personality.

Seth Rollins isn't at a point in his career where "you fans suck and so do the Chiefs" is the only thing he can do.

Like I said, I just gave an example. There’s other ways to make him a full on heel.

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

Modern heels want to be season 1 Walter White instead of season 5 Walter White

Meanwhile the faces are season 1 through 5 of Jesse Pinkman