Maybe I'm missing understanding godlogic but I thought he said the Hebrews verse he quoted was proof that Jesus was God. If the author is unknown and the verse is just an allegory then how can it be used as proof? IIRC, Hebrews is thought to be written around 60-70 CE.
Yea I think you’re missing the point
I’ll break it down for you
The debate is: Did the historical Jesus claim to be God?
Hebrews shows the earliest disciples of Jesus regarded him as in a divine nature or a what the debater called a “high Christology” among his followers.
Not everyone who claims to “believe” in Jesus see him in a divine nature or equal with GOD
THIS is the opposite for example to MUSLIMS who 2000 years later we see have developed a “low Christology” (although the Quran actually suggests otherwise) and only regard him as a Human man and no different than any other prophet
And this is fine for them to believe.
The effort being made here isn’t to PROVE JESUS IS GOD
Nobody can prove anyone is GOD. Just like we can’t prove the existence of God
It’s a matter of FAITH ultimately
But what we are debating here is WHO JESUS LEAD PEOPLE TO BELIEVE HE WAS
Based on historical documents and writings we see Jesus early followers considered him basically divine
So the Question posed to NON BELIEVERS is:
what was it so special about Jesus (what did he say or do historically) that made people in his lifetime regard him, a human Man who was born and died, as the GOD of Judaism?
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Who wrote Hebrews and how they interpret Moses is irrelevant to this debate because
1. Hebrews was a book/document confirmed to exist historically by 60 AD
2. The contents of Hebrews show what people believed and taught about Jesus at the time
The point here is not to prove Jesus is God or Moses existed or even Judaism is true.
The debate is a challenge to show HISTORICALLY this (Jesus is GOD) is what people during Jesus time believed
It’s on you (non Christians) to figure out WHY people thought this way
Christians today would say it is because JESUS HISTORICALLY CLAIMED TO BE GOD according to the scriptures.
People living at the same time of Jesus (before the Gospels were completely written/complied might say it is the things he did to make people believe hes God such as:
LIVING SINLESS
TEACHINGS/PARABLES
MIRACLES
PROPHECY FULFILLED
RAISING FROM DEAD
APPEARING TO PEOPLE (Like Paul)
Maybe things like those listed above lead people to believe in Jesus even after his death and become followers
Then they started writing it all down and telling others.
This is just the historical reality we have. And we have early writings like those in the book of HEBREWS to back up the notion that Jesus claimed to be God
“Did Jesus claim to be God” is the subject of the debate
^ I took this question and posed it to you because, you being a Jesus skeptic and non believer in God are faced with the PROBLEM of explaining away the historical Jesus and his impact on the world resulting in billions of people who worship him as God.
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