Plankton
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I actually believe this version of events more than this rewrite ive seen as of late. I remember when it was acknkwledged a Jamaican american created hiphop and it was influenced by reggae. But i remember asking "What if the jamaican creator and jamaicans wanted to claim hiphop as Jamaican music?". Then suddenly it became "Bu bu but it was made in America". So it went from only the identity of the creator defining what a genre was,to it being about the location. A few black people creating hiphop dont make the genre "black". The participants absolutely define what the genre is,if it can be defined. And according to people like Bambatta you also had white punk rockers participating. Meaning in the melting pot of NY,hiphop basically started out as YOUTH CULTURE. Culturally there was nothing in the content that made hiphop "black" as a genre.
Had people listened to me they wouldnt be juelzing like they have been forced to,as well as rewrite history.
Do black creators neccessarily make a genre black?I say no,some say yes.
I had this debate with posters in another thread,who told me house music was black music because it was created by black people. My argument to them was that it thrived in shared spaces with gays and europeans,and was also pioneered by homosexuals. And most importantly didn't really cater to...
Early hiphop was not a black genre,it was youth culture. It became black later on to the point it would be difficult for a non black person to perform it authentically. That was not the case early on before the content shifted.
I do find it weird for people to try to suddenly act like latinos werent even around like that,and it was just a "couple"
Whats wrong with saying hiphop had a black Jamaican creator,and was influenced by reggae. Pearto ricans were heavy contributors and participants early on?
In no way does that take away from the fact that hiphop later evolved into BLACK AMERICAN(FBA) MUSIC. It had no racial identity yet when the Jamaican created it,and the puerto ricans were lets say 70/30 founders.
Im more curious to hear if Fat Joe STILL would have the audacity to pull that 50/50 card today. Or does he acknowledge that hiphop is black american music.
Cholly Rock is responding to the 2011 Documentary "Founding Fathers: The Untold Story Of Hip Hop" in regards to the discrepancies of the documentary. He points out in that same video I posted that Grand Master Flowers did not start off doing Hip Hop at first but jumped on the wagon later. In a previous thread I pointed out that in Tariq Nasheeds documentary Microphone Check, he doesn't add that part where as Cholly Rock specifies, what Hip Hop was and who was specifically doing it at the beginning. So I then pointed out that if Tariq is going to add Flowers to his documentary and he wasn't doing Hip Hop at it's birth, then why did he leave out the Jamaican born DJ King Charles who was doing his thing in 1968 years before Herc according to the Founding Fathers documentary? It's because that would be a monkey wrench in the whole "Only FBA's were at the birth of Hip Hop" argument so Tariq left it out on purpose. I tried pointing that out to posters on this site but no one saw Tariqs documentary so what I said went under the radar.
