This is the most important RPG aspect that you are conveniently ignoring. In Fallout 3 and New Vegas, there are many quests in which you could complete in multiple ways.
This applies to New Vegas not fallout 3.
There were way fewer options for any given quest in Fallout 4...no skills, no karma system, a ton more unkillable NPCs. Quests almost always boiled down to "kill all the enemies", and your charisma stat was used primarily to negotiate how many caps you received for completing it. This is a huge difference in gameplay, and what people mean when they talk about RPG elements being removed.
Go back and replay fallout 3, most quest came down to killing all enemies or collecting an item just like it did in 4. The karma system being gone is a valid complaint that I already admitted earlier in the thread. I'm not arguing that fallout 4 was better than NV but it certainly is better than fallout 3 was. The problem I have is yall literally acting like fallout 4 isnt an rpg game at all and that Bethesda is killing the series and turning it into a multiplayer game just cause they created a multiplayer game as a spin off. I can argue about how skyrim isnt an rpg game because they took away alot of rpg elements that were in morrowind or that elder scrolls 6 will be a multiplayer game because they made elder scrolls online, but that would be pointless groundless bullshyt. That's what this thread is, praying for Bethesda to fail and acting like everything they make is trash. Fallout 4 was not a shytty game, nether is fallout 3, but that's what the argument is now. The only reason I bring up NV is to point out how gamers called it trash at release and not as good as fallout 3 when the narrative has changed since hating Bethesda is the thing to do now.
Settlement building is not an example of a fukking role play game element.
I used settlement building as an example of something that they added, along with a better weapon system, improved VATS, scaveging for supplies, bigger map with better designed locations, better gameplay in general that made the game actually fun to play instead of a clunky mess. If you think NV is the better game that's fine, I agree. But the narrative that fallout 4 trash and isnt even an rpg game or that there will never be another single player fallout game just cause they made a multiplayer spinoff is bullshyt. I dont know why everything has to either be the best or its trash to the gaming community now.
