Ricochet has at least shown flashes of range with his Lucha Underground stuff and his brief feud with Velveteen Dream though. I agree though, there needs to be some substance behind his character.
Everything Wrong with the WWE in 2018
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Ricochet has at least shown flashes of range with his Lucha Underground stuff and his brief feud with Velveteen Dream though. I agree though, there needs to be some substance behind his character.
okgoodnotgreat
Pro
Stuff like this is why I wonder how the NWA, ROH (production standpoint, tbh. I enjoy the in-ring stuff), or even Impact isn't stepping their games up. I truly think there's a bigger market for these promotions as a WWE alternative. NJPW got people up watching at 4am tweeting like crazy people.
krackdagawd
Inspire.
you can clean impact up for ig but the tna stench still on it
New Japan might fukk around and become the #2 US promotion
Jmare007
pico pal q lee
The most telling thing about OP is that it doesn't even have anger in it. WWE beats the fan out of everyone eventually 
The only thing that keeps me watching this damn company in any sort of way is D-Bry
The only thing that keeps me watching this damn company in any sort of way is D-Bry
Jmare007
pico pal q lee
you can clean impact up for ig but the tna stench still on it
New Japan might fukk around and become the #2 US promotion
If New Japan has to book weekly, then people will lose their mind just as much. Don't trust Gedo brehs.
okgoodnotgreat
Pro
you can clean impact up for ig but the tna stench still on it
New Japan might fukk around and become the #2 US promotion
I always give TNA a chance because I was a fan but you right, they big trash now.
When Kurt Angle came in and got all the gold
I thought Hernandez was going to be TNA champ for a smooth three years and it never happened
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
Drink wolf cola
That’s when you know you’re out for keeps. When this shyt doesn’t make you angry anymore and you just have the perpetualThe most telling thing about OP is that it doesn't even have anger in it. WWE beats the fan out of everyone eventually
The only thing that keeps me watching this damn company in any sort of way is D-Bry
while watching. Damn near impossible to spark that fire again once it’s been put out.laughslikebig
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Nakamura couldn’t even point out Texas on a map when he got here. You can’t bring a nikka from the other side of the planet and slap him in the middle of America with no time to prime himself. That’s insane. nikka prolly didn’t have a US bank account.- Sami Zayn ditching El Generico for a new character in NXT is reasonable, but it could've been done on the main roster. I'll give you that argument though.
- Nakamura didn't need to learn English in NXTHe was fluent in English before even coming to the WWE. He knew the rules of TV and how to engage the American audience because his gimmick was entirely built on that. He had no business being in NXT and no business being in NXT for as long as he was.
- The independents aren't the same as they were 15-20 years ago. These guys have been traveling all over the country and world prior to the WWE. ROH/Impact/NJPW were in the cards for almost all of the guys they signed. They didn't need to get use to the travel (NXT doesn't even travel like the main roster does). The culture in NXT is drastically different from the main roster according to a lot of guys too, so I don't really buy that.
- Guys like Elias and Braun all survived in spite of NXT. They were thrown in the deep end on the main roster because they were floundering in developmental. Lucky for them, their talent brought them to the top.
- Apollo could've used more time in NXT to polish off his promos and his character overall. This was another one of those sink or swim moments, and he unfortunately sunk. He wasn't ready for the roster, but they had to move him because of all the Indy wrestlers they keep signing.
- Joe/Balor/KO didn't need to be in NXT, and NXT doesn't deserve any praises for their main roster success. They basically just bided their time to get called up. The jury is still out on Baron Corbin. I see potential in him, but he hasn't broken out yet.
That’s a big adjustment. Just from cultural standpoint. Not to me
Bro how did Elias And Braun sucked in spite of NXT when the barely wrestled there’s at all?- Sami Zayn ditching El Generico for a new character in NXT is reasonable, but it could've been done on the main roster. I'll give you that argument though.
- Nakamura didn't need to learn English in NXT
- The independents aren't the same as they were 15-20 years ago. These guys have been traveling all over the country and world prior to the WWE. ROH/Impact/NJPW were in the cards for almost all of the guys they signed. They didn't need to get use to the travel (NXT doesn't even travel like the main roster does). The culture in NXT is drastically different from the main roster according to a lot of guys too, so I don't really buy that.
- Guys like Elias and Braun all survived in spite of NXT. They were thrown in the deep end on the main roster because they were floundering in developmental. Lucky for them, their talent brought them to the top.
- Apollo could've used more time in NXT to polish off his promos and his character overall. This was another one of those sink or swim moments, and he unfortunately sunk. He wasn't ready for the roster, but they had to move him because of all the Indy wrestlers they keep signing.
- Joe/Balor/KO didn't need to be in NXT, and NXT doesn't deserve any praises for their main roster success. They basically just bided their time to get called up. The jury is still out on Baron Corbin. I see potential in him, but he hasn't broken out yet.
Apollo is what he is, Baron is what he is.
I can’t speak to the culture. But I imagine just getting to know the how to move in environment is the same.
Read JTG’s book. A lot of what he went through was because he didn’t have an NXT . I look at NXT like WWE Orientation.
I can’t say nobody succeeded from NXT because nobody really succeeds in WWE on a major level anymore.
It's not just Vince either. You listen to enough interviews, and it becomes clear that there's is a real contempt for the fanbase among people in the WWE. Granted, some of it is earned - hardcore fans of anything can get really annoying, especially when they lack self-awareness - but you get the feeling they'd be happier if all their fans were just mindless drones who never questioned anything or had any real passion for the show. It's weird.
Eh, I think it depends on the kind of fans you're talking about. For people who really value in ring work, yeah, they're going to think more of those types of guys. But if you look at who is really getting the biggest reactions, getting the most TV time, taking up most of the conversation, it's usually guys who can work in the ring and play a defined character: The New Day, Rusev, DB, Seth, etc.
The booking of the women is absolute trash. How many times has the challenger pinned or submitted the women's champion? Pretty much every feud WWE let's us know that the challenger is a threat by having their champion job clean. There is no real hierarchy besides knowing Charlotte, Asuka, and Rousey are a bit more important than anyone else but former women's champions get beaten all the time and it's no sign of a women progression and not a big deal.
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
Drink wolf cola
Coach publicly said earlier this year basically (and I’m paraphrasing here) to stop being sheep and just like what we tell you. I think it was Nash who said it, but I recall a story about a few groups of fans leaving during the Bret vs Shawn iron man match and Vince replying that he’d rather have a half capacity crowd reacting how he wants compared to a packed house cheering what they want.
The mid card belts are like this too. Miz has been in the IC division for 5 years. 7 years ago he went on last at Wrestlemania. Why isn’t he going anywhere on the card? Jeff hardy is 40 years old. Multi time world champ. Why is he United States champ? Why did 38 year old Cena win that title from Rusev at Wrestlemania a few years ago? 3 years ago Seth Rollins cashed in and won the top title. Now he’s in the IC picture? 5 years ago DZ cashed in and won the big gold belt while doing the HBK and diesel angle with big E. Now he’s working that same angle with drew for he IC belt? There’s no progression or sense of direction for these guys or a sense of moving up the card logically. None of the top guys 15-20 years ago moved backwards on the card like that.
Mike the Executioner
What went on up there? Poppers and weird sex!
This thread didn't disappoint. Five stars. 
I've been watching for ten years now and this is definitely the worst the product's ever been to me. Now that I'm old enough to recognize every problem this company has, and just how much these problems pop up, I can't enjoy it the same way anymore.
There's no reason why I should watch RAW or SmackDown hoping for at least one segment to be entertaining, or enjoy the first half of WrestleMania only to be pissed off by the second half. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if months from now, I start blocking out this year's WrestleMania from my memory.
I know a lot of people don't really like the WWE in the late 2000s, but I don't remember it being as ridiculous as it is now. They were still capable of booking competently at that point. Things still mattered from week to week, there were still actual stakes. If this was 2008, Sasha and Bayley would be in the middle of a months-long feud by now, not going to counseling in painful comedy segments. I start to wonder who they're writing for, and I realize it's for casual fans. It's for people who barely watch wrestling and don't really understand it. It can't be for hardcore fans because they haven't written for hardcore fans in more than a decade. It can't be for kids because kids aren't as stupid as the WWE thinks. When I started watching, the company still had excitement and intensity. I still remember that promo Edge gave right before Backlash in 2009 where he talked about how much the World Heavyweight Championship drives him. Those moments don't exist anymore.
It used to be a wrestling-oriented show. Now it's a TGIF sitcom that just so happens to have wrestling in it.
I've been watching for ten years now and this is definitely the worst the product's ever been to me. Now that I'm old enough to recognize every problem this company has, and just how much these problems pop up, I can't enjoy it the same way anymore.
There's no reason why I should watch RAW or SmackDown hoping for at least one segment to be entertaining, or enjoy the first half of WrestleMania only to be pissed off by the second half. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if months from now, I start blocking out this year's WrestleMania from my memory.
I know a lot of people don't really like the WWE in the late 2000s, but I don't remember it being as ridiculous as it is now. They were still capable of booking competently at that point. Things still mattered from week to week, there were still actual stakes. If this was 2008, Sasha and Bayley would be in the middle of a months-long feud by now, not going to counseling in painful comedy segments. I start to wonder who they're writing for, and I realize it's for casual fans. It's for people who barely watch wrestling and don't really understand it. It can't be for hardcore fans because they haven't written for hardcore fans in more than a decade. It can't be for kids because kids aren't as stupid as the WWE thinks. When I started watching, the company still had excitement and intensity. I still remember that promo Edge gave right before Backlash in 2009 where he talked about how much the World Heavyweight Championship drives him. Those moments don't exist anymore.
It used to be a wrestling-oriented show. Now it's a TGIF sitcom that just so happens to have wrestling in it.
But I still haven't been turned off completely. It's a sickness.
I always give TNA a chance because I was a fan but you right, they big trash now.
Impact arguably is a better weekly program than either Raw or Smackdown nowadays. Honestly I can't even say it's arguable. Impact actually tries to create storylines and does it with a significantly smaller roster compared to WWE.
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@TheGreatShowtime i think the Issue with the E is simple... THEY DONT TRY.
They run 3 feuds max for each wrestler for the entire year.
The stories never move forward, u get
the rumble,
post rumble mania set up feud...MANIA... new feud with endless rematches and tag team pairings till Summerslam...
SUMMERSLAM...
NFL SEASON IS BACK FILLER
ROYAL RUMBLE SET UP FEUD... repeat...
They keep the product so cold, when they try to heat up it falls flat because they’ve been on autopilot ignoring the audience all year.
That’s the whole year. No major stories or arc’s, no mysteries or major stories anymore. Just endless matches and “Big Dawg”
We grew up with blood feuds ending at B shows.
Austin v Triple H 3 stages of hell, happened at what would be the equivalent of ROADBLOCK now. Then Austin won the title a month later and turned heel, by that fall he was a completely different character.
Roman been the same for 5 years!!! He gained nothing, no new attire, catch phrases or energy.
shyt is just at constant stand still. That’s the major issue IMO.
They run 3 feuds max for each wrestler for the entire year.
The stories never move forward, u get
the rumble,
post rumble mania set up feud...MANIA... new feud with endless rematches and tag team pairings till Summerslam...
SUMMERSLAM...
NFL SEASON IS BACK FILLER
ROYAL RUMBLE SET UP FEUD... repeat...
They keep the product so cold, when they try to heat up it falls flat because they’ve been on autopilot ignoring the audience all year.
That’s the whole year. No major stories or arc’s, no mysteries or major stories anymore. Just endless matches and “Big Dawg”
We grew up with blood feuds ending at B shows.
Austin v Triple H 3 stages of hell, happened at what would be the equivalent of ROADBLOCK now. Then Austin won the title a month later and turned heel, by that fall he was a completely different character.
Roman been the same for 5 years!!! He gained nothing, no new attire, catch phrases or energy.
shyt is just at constant stand still. That’s the major issue IMO.
Wrestling is ran by a bunch of whitebread yokels who have succeeded off one idea, and have beaten that idea to the ground for 30 years.
It is never going to get any better because the people in power are all old white guys who aren't in touch with anything, and by the time they get a hold of current trends, it's too late.
People will keep buying their shyt because it's polished and it's accessible, but why would they want to change when they've just made a billion even though they've kept 1/5 of the audience they had 20 years ago?
Even the people in charge of the indies are old white guys who can't tap into anything because they have a million ideas, none of it interesting