Every Timbaland beat he ever gave Jay-Z has been garbage :

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It’s not

Someone knows more than I do but didn’t Timbo work under Devante in that era? I’ve never heard anyone say Tim ghost produced it or anything but the drums on Mo More Pain are very Timbaland-esque. Notorious Thugs has a similar type of bounce to it but that’s the kind of thing people expected Bone to rock over even tho if you listen to E1999 the drums are fairly orthodox, that bouncy style was popular in the late 90s and a lot of NY MCs used it to try a bouncy/double time flow that they hadn’t done before (most people called it southern for some reason). It took Nas 2 or 3 goes before he perfected it on Heaven.

Stevie J did say that he was inspired by Timbaland's production when he made the beat for "Notorious Thugs":

EXCLUSIVE: Stevie J On Producing Jay-Z’s “Ride Or Die,” Says Timbaland Inspired “Notorious Thugs” [VIDEO] | The Latest Hip-Hop News, Music and Media | Hip-Hop Wired

Stevie J and Timbaland both worked as Devante's under studies, so it isn't coincidential to have "Notorious Thugs" and "No More Pain" sound a like.
 

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I wouldnt say that at all. There is some beats he got from Timbo that if Nas picked the same beat it would be a problem tho, but that’s not just with Timbo tho. What I will say is You Won’t See Me Tonight is better than majority of the beats Timbo gave Jay. And You Owe Me is a fukkin banger contrary to revisionist opinion. But Jay got some fire from Timbo too. Big Pimpin is hardbody I remember when I first heard it before the album dropped. Immediately went crazy over that. nikka What nikka Who is hardbody. It’s Hot is also hardbody. Hola Hovito is pretty dope. Hey Papi is ridiculous as well. Don’t really fukk wit the rest too heavy tho. Is That Your Chick is fire but that is an official Memphis Bleek track at this point.
Yea i feel the same, not everything he has given him has been crazy, but he has given him some dope shyt too
 

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Question...I was only 13-14 back when All Eyez on Me and Life After Death dropped, so I didn’t think of things the same at the time...but back then was it apparent or obvious to many that the “Notorious Thugs” beat (as great a song as it is) was pretty much a rip of “No More Pain”?



No,...not in general speak in about two decade or more.
As ruthless records has come to run the world now.
So anything in and encompassing ruthless records.
supersedes hip-hop culture and all of its businesses attached to its pillars like a emo gangsta virus. ap.
So bad boy being is a jiggy MCA way.
dj hollywood hiphop sellout deviant based label.
That was a habitual cultural line stepper.
as well as death row.
So, they would have had numerous sonic similarities.
trying to covertly and/or.
one up one another.
as just commercial pop industry practices more akin to rnb and hair metal rock driven labels.
Which are taboo as bitin' n in hiphop culture and rap.
Where yes,.. Bad boy and death row as pop gangsta rap jiggy taboo culture thief labels. Are and were guilty of biting. Plus both guilty as far as biting.
Plus and using gay gateway disco as a back drop sonically as a pop disco studio audiophile selling point. So badboy and death roewould have always flirted. or just plain crossed the cultural threshold and line beyond repair to the actual fabric of hiphop culture. In every possible way from lack of cultural direction. dress to anything else directly against the mores and norms of hiphop culture. By gangsta gank'n anything it ol school way of thought wanted to. As well as with using, interpolation, and sampling. of what ever could be deemed as culture based thievery, misappropriation, to biting. In everything badbay created. To attempt to alienate hiphop culture brazenly and belligerently. In the most culture theft thirst manner as possible. to gain a fake toy large volume pop jiggy following. Plus to gain the most pop sonically and to appease audiophiles as a draw as well. So in that,...your ear to pick that up is keen as fukk. Plus and yes,.. That comparison has been made by me in online. Around 1999-2000-ish. When this community had more culture based awareness. Incomparison to now.
where this board has a gateway pop rnb sports driven community-based new media ideal now.
So,...very keen ear and take. Not many would make publically make.
So brave and keen ear.

Plus the machismo to ask.


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big pimpin was so weak Pimp C never wanted to be on it, and all the rest of the joints like dirt off your shoulder and all that garbage are ear sores. :hhh:

Nas got the best rap beat out of timbo(compared to jayz) with "you owe me" that bounces, Timbo fed Jay straight toilet water.

name or play one Timbo/Jay collabo banger!? :russ:





Hopefully he starts to credit the artists he samples from


 
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Hopefully he starts to credit the artists he samples from



Innnnnnteresting...so many of those melodies we thought Timbaland was concocting on his own in the studio were essentially grabbed from middle eastern joints the average american listener probably couldn’t ever track down??
:ohhh:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but it felt like Quik was kinda the first and only one to get outed for doing this without credit when he did the beautiful Truth Hurts “Addictive” beat. Was Timbaland involved in that one too? I feel like I heard Quik say he might’ve been during his Questlove Supreme interview.
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Apologies if I’m wrong.
 
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Innnnnnteresting...so many of those melodies we thought Timbaland was concocting on his own in the studio were essentially grabbed from middle eastern joints the average american listener probably couldn’t ever track down??
:ohhh:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but it felt like Quik was kinda the first and only one to get outed for doing this without credit when he did the beautiful Truth Hurts “Addictive” beat. Was Timbaland involved in that one too? I feel like I heard Quik say he might’ve been during his Questlove Supreme interview.
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Nah, Timbaland wasn't involved in "Addictive".

As far as the Middle Eastern sampling, he didn't really do anything differently than any other producer that samples hasn't done. They take an obscure sample and use it without crediting the artist. Often, it goes unnoticed because:

1) they didn't use enough of the song to warrant a lawsuit

2) it simply goes unnoticed

What Timbaland did with those samples is that it wasn't a matter of him simply looping the sample. To most folks, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between him using the sample or him bringing in a session player to replay that melody on a guitar, violin, or another stringed instrument.
 
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It's Hot and Come and Get Me, Big Pimpin', and Hey Papi are garbage? :dwillhuh: Dirt off Your Shouder and Hola Hovito are solid too.

Even if you write off MCHG and BP3 the stuff I named above ain't bad.
 
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