Evertime I listen to Q Tips Abstract Radio I realize....

[Guvnor]

Ok, but I'm just going off their own words in the documentary made about them. They stressed the fact they didn't sample.

They still did sample and replay some stuff so....I guess you can't discredit sampling after all.

 

[tuckgod]

Negged.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

When you're the first, you get the most creditability on the beat

 

[GPBear]

yea but would you say producers who don't sample are more talented or better? In hip hop when defining what it takes to be a "great producer" originality isn't a criteria.

It just makes producing songs seem very easy to me.

I do think to be a good producer your knowledge of old music from the past has to be extensive and diverse. But I prefer original musicians

Ok breh if it's so fukking easy, why don't you take an sp-1200 with a 10 second sampling time and make Pete Rock's T.R.O.Y out of this, you fukking piece of



OR how about you take the an MPC and cut out all the bits and pieces to make the Little Brother beat out of this

 

[soulfuljah]

Polow da Don

Breh wasn't the first...

 

[DoubleClutch]

Ok breh if it's so fukking easy, why don't you take an sp-1200 with a 10 second sampling time and make Pete Rock's T.R.O.Y out of this, you fukking piece of



OR how about you take the an MPC and cut out all the bits and pieces to make the Little Brother beat out of this

the songs I put in my OP were examples of EASY flips of a sample from popular hit songs or taking inspiration from those songs. I never tried to diminish the skill or artistry of producers like J Dilla or Pete Rock. I didn't include any songs where the sampling blew my mind. All I'm saying is sampling of music for producers is a gift and a curse depending how you use it.

And keep the negs coming

This goes to all of you who think you own hip hop culture like it can't be criticized. Who says I'm wrong. Who's says any of you know more about music and making beats than I do. Show me some tracks you produced. Link your soundcloud. Show me videos of you doing a Q-tip needle drop....

 

[DrunkerThanAMotherfucker]

OP what do you think of albums like this

that were constructed entirely via samples?


I mean, I understand where you are coming from but hip-hop was literally born out of break beats. This shyt simply wouldn't exist without samples.

I view sampling as a complete artform, and those who do it the most successfully deserve a lot of praise.

It's like Picasso's (maybe) quote:

"Good artists copy, Great artists steal."

And this analysis of that quote:

“What Picasso did mean was that great artists rummage through the great junk heap of lost, bypassed, and forgotten ideas to find the rare jewels, and then incorporate such languishing gems into their own personal artistic legacy… Picasso implied that great artists don’t get caught stealing because what they appropriate they transform so thoroughly into their own persona, that everyone ends up thinking the great idea was theirs in the first place.”

And that's exactly what crate digging and great sampling encompasses. Guys like Dilla, Madlib, Premier, Pete Rock, RZA, etc can sample so masterfully that the original sample is indistinguishable to a listener. They deconstruct music and reconstruct it into something entirely different.

To me, that's fine art.

 

[DoubleClutch]

It’s even worse with producers today

 

[Artificial Intelligence]

You know nothing about music if you think the beat alone makes a song,,, even if it’s a loop there’s lots of work left to be done

 

[Artificial Intelligence]

It’s even worse with producers today

True but just because you sample a hit doesn’t mean it’s gonna be a good song/hit

 

[Art Barr]

My favorite 90's Hip Hop producers weren't that talented after all. I don't know if on purpose but he always plays songs that have very well known samples for hip hop hits from the 1990's or maybe its just coincidence?

I remember one episode featured Quest Love and this whole show was literally 1-2 hr of songs that had been used for samples in major Rap/R&B songs from 1990-2000

anyway some songs that stood out to me were this:



which the Neptunes turned into this:



and then there was this:



which Timbaland used to make:



those are just two examples, but the list really goes on, and on

anyways this may not be a big deal to those who have a lot of old school music knowledge but man I thought all these hip hop producers were more original

Oh and one more thing, QTips taste and knowledge of music is go get apple music and check out his channel if you like that old school hiphop/soul/r&b stuff.

You posted two rnb producers.
to talk about hiphop tho.
When rnb is not hiphop.
You kinda post like a white boi with no cultural accumen.


Art Barr

 

[DoubleClutch]

You posted two rnb producers.
to talk about hiphop tho.
When rnb is not hiphop.
You kinda post like a white boi with no cultural accumen.


Art Barr

Huh breh Neptunes and timbalad are two of the biggest hip hop producers

You might know more about sports but you can’t teach me anything about music

 

[u mad son?]

yea but would you say producers who don't sample are more talented or better? In hip hop when defining what it takes to be a "great producer" originality isn't a criteria.

It just makes producing songs seem very easy to me.

I do think to be a good producer your knowledge of old music from the past has to be extensive and diverse. But I prefer original musicians

One of the biggest misconceptions in hip hop is that it takes less skill / no creativity to sample. You've selected some of the most obvious sample / loops.

Producers like premo, rza, alchemist, madlib, doom. They're digging for weeks on end to find something no ones heard. Then, just because the samples fire doesn't mean it's gonna work, you have to be able to eq it and it still sound good when you make it much louder.

Then you have to find drums that work with the sample, chop the sample up, mix and master. Then you have producers who layer samples on top of other samples, this is incredibly skillfully and difficult to pull off and it sound good.

Since Hip Hop has started moving away from sampling, the shyt sounds less and less soulful. Reason being is because people don't want to clear samples / get caught... So now you have a million producers who know nothing about chords, chord progression and actual music theory playing 3 note riffs over some drums with no soul or feeling whatsoever.

Imo sample producers are levels above your average bozo who can't play instruments hitting single note riffs and acting like they're better because they didn't sample.

There are only a very select few producers who can create original music AND it actually has soul and feeling.. You need to be a multi instrumentalits. At its core, that ain't hip hop. Hip hop is built off sampling.

 

[Art Barr]

Huh breh Neptunes and timbalad are two of the biggest hip hop producers

You might know more about sports but you can’t teach me anything about macumen.

Both are from devante swing pow producer rnb camps.
as well as missy.
They are rnb producers.

Stop.

I am the actualized protege to a legend.
Plus the next heir to the goat emcee.

You have nuffin in your backgrpund.
That says you know.
or have a background in hiphop. That will make me pay attention to your rambling.

No offense but I was there and I know all uv you were not.


Like you really tried to say I was dope in sports. Then downplay my knowledge, experience actualization in hiphop. Which is superior to almost all the history of hiphop too tho.


As I challenge you to find a more realer or more skilled bboy in hiphop history than me in any pillar. Of which I have actualized skill.
in three of those four pillars.
Breaking. Graf. Emcee.
While not being a dj. I still own all the vinyl tho.


So miss me with the fact.
you do nOt know hiphop at all. To ever challenge.
what I am saying that is rooted in actualized first person fact.


Art Barr

 

[DoubleClutch]

Both are from devante swing pow producer rnb camps.
as well as missy.
They are rnb producers.

Stop.

I am the actualized protege to a legend.
Plus the next heir to the goat emcee.

You have nuffin in your backgrpund.
That says you know.
or have a background in hiphop. That will make me pay attention to your rambling.

No offense but I was there and I know all uv you were not.


Like you really tried to say I was dope in sports. Then downplay my knowledge, experience actualization in hiphop. Which is superior to almost all the history of hiphop too tho.


As I challenge you to find a more realer or more skilled bboy in hiphop history than me in any pillar. Of which I have actualized skill.
in three of those four pillars.
Breaking. Graf. Emcee.
While not being a dj. I still own all the vinyl tho.


So miss me with the fact.
you do nOt know hiphop at all. To ever challenge.
what I am saying that is rooted in actualized first person fact.


Art Barr

I was kinda trolling

I know you like to joke also so

But seriously you obviously know more about hip hop

I’ll take R&B/Soul/Gospel

But yea obviously before hip hop the foundation of Rap music was R&B And Soul samples and Bebop and even church music so it’s all the same.

Good Hip hop producers had to have a good feel for R&B or whatever popular music that came before it

Before you even commented I never really thought of separating those producers into a category of R&B or HIP HOP

R&B Is hip hop to me.

Like how would you classify J DILLA? People rapped over his beats but half his drums sound like what I heard people playing in church growing up for example

So I don’t label producers really. It’s all black music. Really it’s all music these days

But some Hip Hop producers today can’t make R&B or anything else other than DRILL/TRAP

In hindsight yea all those producers are more talented and knowledgeable than anyone today.

But my standards of producers are still going to be high and that’s why I made this thread.