ESPN First Take: Cam can't lose a game if he wants to win MVP

[Bboystyle]

These dudes crazy yes they do count rushing yards when the narrative fits them. They mentioned the rushing yards when Rodgers or young won their MVPs.

and breh, i cant speak for young cuz it was too long ago, but Rodgers soley won the MVP because he broke passing records that year. His rushing stats had jack shyt to do with his MVP in 2011

 

[Bboystyle]

This isn't best passing qb, it's MVP..who cares if he's throwing or rushing?? He's scoring points!

why are u telling me this? tell it to the AP voters, not me.

 

[BucciMane]

Bills, Jets, Dolphins

This fakkit Brady gets 6 free walks every year and no one fukking talks.

What the hell is your dumbass talking about? Brady's division is mentioned every year, and more often than any other division when people talk about schedules.

 

[Big Boss]

I think SAS is saying that the voters won't give it to cam unless he goes undefeated

 

[Perfectson]

why are u telling me this? tell it to the AP voters, not me.

in my eyes you represent the AP voters, die pond scum die!

 

[Rigby.]

stats breh... stats


y'all continue to keep talking... while posting NO STATS of BOTH players in comparison



let me tell you what the voters gonna do.... LOOK AT THE fukkING STATS

Cam has the stats now. Dude got the most TDs. Dude is the best in the 4th. Dude has the GW drives. If his team is still undefeated or has one loss (depending on how that one loss comes), he's not gonna lose it.

 

[Rigby.]

Cam to me is the closest to MVP but it is true, dude plays in a shyt division so that may hurt him. Still, I don't see anyone more deserving right now.

Brady places in the fukking AFC East which has been shyt for a decade plus. Didn't the Patriots almost clinch the division in week 11?? Of course they lost but that speaks volumes on how trash it is. Jets might be playoff contenders but that's more because of how down this year is than anything, because they aren't a legitimate team.

Palmer plays in the NFC West which does have Seattle granted but the other two teams are pretty bad with the Rams gaining an occasional upset every 3 games and SF just losing every game but it's usually barely lost.

TB is still probably on par with the Rams and both are the third best in the divisions. Seattle is clearly better than the Saints and SF is a bit better than Atlanta I guess.

The point being is that the divisions are all pretty close in terms of shyttiness with Seattle being the only clear advantage when it comes to competition level. And Carolina beat that Seattle team so that levels out.

 

[BlackAchilles]

Being MVP is also about respecting the game

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Cam has the stats now. Dude got the most TDs. Dude is the best in the 4th. Dude has the GW drives. If his team is still undefeated or has one loss (depending on how that one loss comes), he's not gonna lose it.

i think this whole thread is off the rails


nobody is saying cam SHOULD NOT win


what the tv show... and others are saying.....

IN VOTERS EYES (not ours) IFFFFFFFFFFFF cam were to lose the last two games.... and brady or palmer won the last two....

ONLY THEN... would they expect these VOTERS to then pass it to someone else... especially if the other two don't lose anymore... and the last two images of cam are shytty losses to shytty teams







now to say it shouldn't happen... i agree

but to say, that you are 150% sure of the VOTERS mindset, and what they would do IF THAT HAPPENED... well i have to agree with first take... the voters would punish him for it... unfairly... but they would

 

[Rigby.]

i think this whole thread is off the rails


nobody is saying cam SHOULD NOT win


what the tv show... and others are saying.....

IN VOTERS EYES (not ours) IFFFFFFFFFFFF cam were to lose the last two games.... and brady or palmer won the last two....

ONLY THEN... would they expect these VOTERS to then pass it to someone else... especially if the other two don't lose anymore... and the last two images of cam are shytty losses to shytty teams







now to say it shouldn't happen... i agree

but to say, that you are 150% sure of the VOTERS mindset, and what they would do IF THAT HAPPENED... well i have to agree with first take... the voters would punish him for it... unfairly... but they would

I understand what you're saying, but I have absolutely no reason to rationalize what the voters decide to do, which should be the same reasoning throughout this thread. I'm discussing the most logical option, which is to give the man the MVP.

 

[Bboystyle]

unless Cam throws 4-5 ints the next two games and loses and Brady throws 10+ TD's, then there's no way he cant get that MVP. I just have a gut feeling that the AP voters will still give it to Brady if both continue to play well but Cam loses one game down the road.

 

[Tide Run This]

First Take must pay these trolls some nice checks I swear every day I browse the coliseum there's always some bullshyt thread about that Steppin A Fetch c00n as if he the gospel on fukking sports.

 

[Osmosis]

@ItzTime is a dumb cac

 

[Carlos Huerta]

In 1990 Warren lead the league in passer rating, TDs and yardage. He lead the oilers to a 9-7 record and the playoffs. But it was Joe Montana who won the MVP because his 49ers were 14-1. Montana was 2nd in TDs with 26, 4th in QB rating and 4th in passing yards.

The Associated Press mentioned that montan should win the award because his teams record and his stats. This is also the year Cunningham threw for 30 TDs and had almost 1000 yards rushing (though the maxwell club did award Cunningham the MVP) the knock against moon not getting the MVP was because his team was only 9-7 and his team ran the run and shoot so he should be penalized because his team passed so much. Thus moons stats were inflated.

Fast forward to 1998. Cunningham playing with the Vikings throws for 30 TDs and leads the Vikings to the best record in the league at 15-1. He does not get the MVP because Terrell Davis gets it since he rushed for 2k yards and lead his team to a 12-4 record.

The Associated Press feeling was that a running back who leads there team to the playoffs and gets 2000k yards should win the MVP. But we all know that was not the case with Eric dikkerson in 1984 (year Marino threw all those TDs) and in 2003 when Jamal Lewis ran for 2000k yards with taking that Ravens team with trash QB play to the playoffs that year.

Also that year the associated press gave the award to manning and McNair was only because Mcnair had some superman type of games in which he got out the hospital bed on a Sunday or Saturday and played. He had mutiple issues that year with cracked ribs a damaged sternum and a dislocated thump on his throwing hand. He also lead the league in QB rating. This was also a year where Eddie George began to show signs he was going down hill and had been ran into the ground. So folks thought the Titans were gonna take a step back but fisher idiot ass finally open the playbook up and let McNair throw. That year there was a game where McNair matched Peyton in a shoutout. Folks in the media were surprised because the Titans had no weapons yet were standing toe to toe with the colts who had given manning number 1 picks all at the skilled positions.

But IMO if he did not have those games where he got out of the hospital bed and played the same day he would not have won the MVP cause the AP has always looked for reasons not to give the MVP award to black QBs.

Edit- side note the year first year culpepper was a starter he lead the Viking to the second best record in the NFC and threw for 33 TDs (ran for 7 TDs) the most in the league. However there was push back on culpepper getting the award because he was a first year starter and the view was that he was on a ready made team and his stats were inflated because of Moss and he had Robert smith. The award was eventually given to Faulk.

Aside from Moon in 1990, none of these other QBs you mentioned deserved the MVP award those years.

In '98, Terrell Davis had become only the 4th RB in the history of the league to rush for over 2,000 yards. Dude averaged 125 yds/game and of course was the centerpiece of the 2-time champs.
Cunningham had a great year, but his stats weren't anything special - 5th in yards, 6th in completion %, second in TDs. Those aren't MVP numbers let alone good enough to eclipse what Davis did that year.
Davis deserved the MVP for breaking 2,000 just like Barry, dikkerson and OJ before him. The only reason dikkerson didn't win was because of Marino's season - still the most prolific passing season to this day.

In 2000, Marshall Faulk had once again gained over 2,000 yards from scrimmage and had 26 TDs, the most ever by a non-QB at that point.
Culpepper finished 4th in yards, 4th in completion % and 4th in QBR. He led in only one category (TDs) and threw 16 INTs.

How were these snubs?

 

[Carlos Huerta]

Cam is winning the MVP. He sealed it against the Giants. I don't know why you guys ever concern yourselves with these clowns on ESPN - everything they do and say is meant to drum up controversy and clicks.