ESPN First Take: Cam can't lose a game if he wants to win MVP

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shyt like this is why Cam is being talked about needing to go undefeated.



Brehs not realizing what the voters are thinking.


No breh the voters are bigots when it comes to black QBs and they constantly change the requirements. They do this shyt in baskeball as well especially when there is a white super star.

In 1990 Warren lead the league in passer rating, TDs and yardage. He lead the oilers to a 9-7 record and the playoffs. But it was Joe Montana who won the MVP because his 49ers were 14-1. Montana was 2nd in TDs with 26, 4th in QB rating and 4th in passing yards.

The Associated Press mentioned that montan should win the award because his teams record and his stats. This is also the year Cunningham threw for 30 TDs and had almost 1000 yards rushing (though the maxwell club did award Cunningham the MVP) the knock against moon not getting the MVP was because his team was only 9-7 and his team ran the run and shoot so he should be penalized because his team passed so much. Thus moons stats were inflated.

Fast forward to 1998. Cunningham playing with the Vikings throws for 30 TDs and leads the Vikings to the best record in the league at 15-1. He does not get the MVP because Terrell Davis gets it since he rushed for 2k yards and lead his team to a 12-4 record.

The Associated Press feeling was that a running back who leads there team to the playoffs and gets 2000k yards should win the MVP. But we all know that was not the case with Eric dikkerson in 1984 (year Marino threw all those TDs) and in 2003 when Jamal Lewis ran for 2000k yards with taking that Ravens team with trash QB play to the playoffs that year.

Also that year the associated press gave the award to manning and McNair was only because Mcnair had some superman type of games in which he got out the hospital bed on a Sunday or Saturday and played. He had mutiple issues that year with cracked ribs a damaged sternum and a dislocated thump on his throwing hand. He also lead the league in QB rating. This was also a year where Eddie George began to show signs he was going down hill and had been ran into the ground. So folks thought the Titans were gonna take a step back but fisher idiot ass finally open the playbook up and let McNair throw. That year there was a game where McNair matched Peyton in a shoutout. Folks in the media were surprised because the Titans had no weapons yet were standing toe to toe with the colts who had given manning number 1 picks all at the skilled positions.

But IMO if he did not have those games where he got out of the hospital bed and played the same day he would not have won the MVP cause the AP has always looked for reasons not to give the MVP award to black QBs.

Edit- side note the year first year culpepper was a starter he lead the Viking to the second best record in the NFC and threw for 33 TDs (ran for 7 TDs) the most in the league. However there was push back on culpepper getting the award because he was a first year starter and the view was that he was on a ready made team and his stats were inflated because of Moss and he had Robert smith. The award was eventually given to Faulk.
 
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33 passing. They dont count rushing numbers for a QB. He also has a lowe conpletion % and a qb rating below 100. I dont make the rules breh, im just telling u how it is. Brady still has mvp on lock unless cam can go undefeated


This isn't best passing qb, it's MVP..who cares if he's throwing or rushing?? He's scoring points!
 

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I think Cam is still the clear front runner. I don't think voters are as biased as they were in the past. I remember when AD had the 2000 yard season most people still thought Peyton would get the MVP but they gave it to AD. And Cam obviously has an even better case this year than AD did back then. Saying that, I wouldn't be shocked if they gave it to Brady and the vote will be close either way.

This Palmer talk tho? :camby: outta here with that shyt :rudy:
 

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Hell naw :laff:
 

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No breh the voters are bigots when it comes to black QBs and they constantly change the requirements. They do this shyt in baskeball as well especially when there is a white super star.

In 1990 Warren lead the league in passer rating, TDs and yardage. He lead the oilers to a 9-7 record and the playoffs. But it was Joe Montana who won the MVP because his 49ers were 14-1. Montana was 2nd in TDs with 26, 4th in QB rating and 4th in passing yards.

The Associated Press mentioned that montan should win the award because his teams record and his stats. This is also the year Cunningham threw for 30 TDs and had almost 1000 yards rushing (though the maxwell club did award Cunningham the MVP) the knock against moon not getting the MVP was because his team was only 9-7 and his team ran the run and shoot so he should be penalized because his team passed so much. Thus moons stats were inflated.

Fast forward to 1998. Cunningham playing with the Vikings throws for 30 TDs and leads the Vikings to the best record in the league at 15-1. He does not get the MVP because Terrell Davis gets it since he rushed for 2k yards and lead his team to a 12-4 record.

The Associated Press feeling was that a running back who leads there team to the playoffs and gets 2000k yards should win the MVP. But we all know that was not the case with Eric dikkerson in 1984 (year Marino threw all those TDs) and in 2003 when Jamal Lewis ran for 2000k yards with taking that Ravens team with trash QB play to the playoffs that year.

Also that year the associated press gave the award to manning and McNair was only because Mcnair had some superman type of games in which he got out the hospital bed on a Sunday or Saturday and played. He had mutiple issues that year with cracked ribs a damaged sternum and a dislocated thump on his throwing hand. He also lead the league in QB rating. This was also a year where Eddie George began to show signs he was going down hill and had been ran into the ground. So folks thought the Titans were gonna take a step back but fisher idiot ass finally open the playbook up and let McNair throw. That year there was a game where McNair matched Peyton in a shoutout. Folks in the media were surprised because the Titans had no weapons yet were standing toe to toe with the colts who had given manning number 1 picks all at the skilled positions.

But IMO if he did not have those games where he got out of the hospital bed and played the same day he would not have won the MVP cause the AP has always looked for reasons not to give the MVP award to black QBs.

Edit- side note the year first year culpepper was a starter he lead the Viking to the second best record in the NFC and threw for 33 TDs (ran for 7 TDs) the most in the league. However there was push back on culpepper getting the award because he was a first year starter and the view was that he was on a ready made team and his stats were inflated because of Moss and he had Robert smith. The award was eventually given to Faulk.


one of the best posts i've seen on here in MONTHS
 

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No breh the voters are bigots when it comes to black QBs and they constantly change the requirements. They do this shyt in baskeball as well especially when there is a white super star.

In 1990 Warren lead the league in passer rating, TDs and yardage. He lead the oilers to a 9-7 record and the playoffs. But it was Joe Montana who won the MVP because his 49ers were 14-1. Montana was 2nd in TDs with 26, 4th in QB rating and 4th in passing yards.

The Associated Press mentioned that montan should win the award because his teams record and his stats. This is also the year Cunningham threw for 30 TDs and had almost 1000 yards rushing (though the maxwell club did award Cunningham the MVP) the knock against moon not getting the MVP was because his team was only 9-7 and his team ran the run and shoot so he should be penalized because his team passed so much. Thus moons stats were inflated.

Fast forward to 1998. Cunningham playing with the Vikings throws for 30 TDs and leads the Vikings to the best record in the league at 15-1. He does not get the MVP because Terrell Davis gets it since he rushed for 2k yards and lead his team to a 12-4 record.

The Associated Press feeling was that a running back who leads there team to the playoffs and gets 2000k yards should win the MVP. But we all know that was not the case with Eric dikkerson in 1984 (year Marino threw all those TDs) and in 2003 when Jamal Lewis ran for 2000k yards with taking that Ravens team with trash QB play to the playoffs that year.

Also that year the associated press gave the award to manning and McNair was only because Mcnair had some superman type of games in which he got out the hospital bed on a Sunday or Saturday and played. He had mutiple issues that year with cracked ribs a damaged sternum and a dislocated thump on his throwing hand. He also lead the league in QB rating. This was also a year where Eddie George began to show signs he was going down hill and had been ran into the ground. So folks thought the Titans were gonna take a step back but fisher idiot ass finally open the playbook up and let McNair throw. That year there was a game where McNair matched Peyton in a shoutout. Folks in the media were surprised because the Titans had no weapons yet were standing toe to toe with the colts who had given manning number 1 picks all at the skilled positions.

But IMO if he did not have those games where he got out of the hospital bed and played the same day he would not have won the MVP cause the AP has always looked for reasons not to give the MVP award to black QBs.

Edit- side note the year first year culpepper was a starter he lead the Viking to the second best record in the NFC and threw for 33 TDs (ran for 7 TDs) the most in the league. However there was push back on culpepper getting the award because he was a first year starter and the view was that he was on a ready made team and his stats were inflated because of Moss and he had Robert smith. The award was eventually given to Faulk.
I don't think Jamal Lewis deserved to win the MVP that year though
 

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These dudes crazy yes they do count rushing yards when the narrative fits them. They mentioned the rushing yards when Rodgers or young won their MVPs.


U nikkas really dont read too well :snoop:

The sole reason Cam would get snubbed is because the SB winning golden boy QB has better passing numbers. They wont include cams rushing stats because he's a black QB dabbing on the league and because his competition is Brady. Once u nikkas finally learn to read understand my point,then maybe ya'll can quit quoting each other like im the one who makes up the rules of the voting system
 
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