"Equal Opportunity, Our National Myth" NY Times article by economist Joseph Stiglitz

[No1]

I was wondering if he was talking about UVI( ) or some college in Jamacia...

Either way, all my peeps from the west indies, either go some unknown college in Florida or England...

Nothing even remotely prestigious. A bad bishes have gone on to IVY Leagues, but they're my cousins, as well... ( )

Yo I think Ms. Jamaica a couple years ago went to Harvard Law or some shyt. I was like

Your fam that goes to school in England, do they now work in the US...

 

[88m3]

88m3, I understand that you're a troll and we all know that, but for once act like a legitimate poster and think before you post. Your 3 sentence vapid responses aren't helpful to anyone. @NYC_Rebel straight up mentioned the WEST INDIES. There are very few schools in the West Indies that carry any sort of weight in the US. Second, there are not "plenty" of overseas univerisities with ties to American colleges. Even if that were true, that's not the point. You must be confusing study abroad programs with having an established and respected connection to the US economy. Michigan has a study abroad program with a university in Prague, that school in Prague means shyt in the US. It was a glorified vacation. Stop it.

I wish Naija was online, we broke this down on SOHH for everybody once. I'm only responding because you're genuinely giving bad advice.

Now you've diverged to semantics. "few" "couple" "plenty" "dozen"

UWI has/had a good Medical program!

You wouldn't know that because you aren't black or whatever but there's one.

Second, there are not "plenty" of overseas univerisities with ties to American colleges. Even if that were true, that's not the point.

Everyone should do their own due diligence when making life choices.

For me in retrospect it would have been more advantageous and affordable to go get a degree in Europe.

 

[NYC Rebel]

I was wondering if he was talking about UVI( ) or some college in Jamacia...

Either way, all my peeps from the west indies, either go some unknown college in Florida or England...

Nothing even remotely prestigious. A bad bishes have gone on to IVY Leagues, but they're my cousins, as well... ( )

Man....I'm really worried about my oldest son getting saddled in debt. I forgot which school his grandfather is a professor at in Barbados, but I wouldn't mind him going either their or someplace in Europe.

My son is seven and I started too late with his college savings. I save $500 a month since my two year old was born putting money away in his 529, but oldest son is five years behind in those savings,

I don't want to end up like these folks.

http://nyti.ms/SVQvi0

 

[Broke Wave]

*doesnt go to school in America*

*Pays 6k a year for the best school in his respective country*

*half of it is paid for by low income bursury, so really its 3k*

 

[Serious]

Yo I think Ms. Jamaica a couple years ago went to Harvard Law or some shyt. I was like

Your fam that goes to school in England, do they now work in the US...

They're all over the place, but none of them are really doing anything big. Most are still living off their parents estates in America or living back home, while working some minimal job. My Bro is the only one who's really doing big things, and he didn't even go to college ( ).

 

[acri1]

To the first part of your statement, I think that's how most economy's in America have been looked at since the Roaring 20's. I don't believe that it is an oversimplification to say that the biggest single economic factor is the policies that are proposed and signed by the White House... The "Left" has no problem calling the last recession the Bush recession, or saying that Bush's policies caused or exacerbated the recession. While this may or may not be the case, the economy is almost totally linked to Bush's 8 years during that 8 years.

As far as the congress, I dispute this notion because the current congress has been in control in the majority of one body of the 3 branches. The Democrats controlled the House during the recession... can we blame it on them? Rather it is the policies proposed and passed that have an impact, and when Obama had a majority, he proposed and passed policies that were ineffective in changing the current economic status quo.

What "The Left" does is neither here nor there, I don't feel any need to defend anyone else on this. I'd say the economy during Bush's term also had much more to do with Congressional fukkery than Bush himself. You're greatly overestimating the power of the President as if he could just propose and pass whatever he felt like. Saying "Bush was president so the economy is his fault." is just as bad as saying "Obama was president so the economy is all his fault.". You can't just ignore context and external factors.

Truth be told, other than the original stimulus (which you can argue DID prevent the recession from getting any worse, even though unemployment didn't go down as much as he said it would) he hasn't been able to get anything through Congress to directly address the economy. Any jobs bill or anything like that that Obama tried to pass was blocked. In fact the GOP strategy during the last couple years explicitly been to block everything, and then blame Obama for not doing anything about the economy during election season.

Personally I put much more blame on Congress (especially the House) for the economy than either Bush or Obama.

 

[No1]

They're all over the place, but none of them are really doing anything big. Most are still living off their parents estates in America or living back home, while working some minimal job. My Bro is the only one who's really doing big things, and he didn't even go to college ( ).

Sounds like my fam. On some real shyt, when I was first going to college my dad and my uncles sat me down in the living room, I was like "oh shyt pops got his brothers, I'm really about to get yelled at. Dude found out about me putting that subtle dent in his car acting like I didn't know what happened."

They start preaching to me about family history and about how my older cousins are fukk ups and I got the family name on my back so don't disappoint


In my head I was like, "I just wanna go to college and fukk random rich chicks and wake up in strange places and not know how I got here."

 

[Serious]

Man....I'm really worried about my oldest son getting saddled in debt. I forgot which school his grandfather is a professor at in Barbados, but I wouldn't mind him going either their or someplace in Europe.

My son is seven and I started too late with his college savings. I save $500 a month since my two year old was born putting money away in his 529, but oldest son is five years behind in those savings,

I don't want to end up like these folks.

http://nyti.ms/SVQvi0

I feel you, but it's not that serious. Send them to a "reputable" JC for the first two - three years. Just make sure they develop good study habits and stay away from trouble makers, people who aren't mature enough or any other potential distractions. If they're grades are good enough then they'll be able to transfer a decent four year, or even abroad...

You'll save a boat load. JC's in California are free as long as students keep a (2.0).

 

[88m3]

I feel you, but it's not that serious. Send them to a "reputable" JC for the first two - three years. Just make sure they develop good study habits and stay away from trouble makers, people who aren't mature enough or any potential distractions. If they're grades are good enough then they'll be able to transfer a decent four year, or even abroad...

You'll save a boat load. JC's in California are free as long as students keep a (2.0).

wow that's great for people there

I had no idea

 

[theworldismine13]

No, it's the things that Reb said. There are so many philosophers, political scientists and legal scholars that believe that notion. It's not really a novel concept, it's just that any sort of redistributive program is viewed as untenable by the majority. To add onto what Reb said, a philosopher\political scientist I read in undergrad (first name escapes me) but his last name was Tilly also spoke along the same lines in regards to material inequality.

Basically, material inequality is caused by group closure to maintain monopolistic advantages. Once a social group manages to monopolize occupations of the highest ranks in society, then they acquire differential qualities and other experiences that make them seem exclusively fit for higher positions. It also makes those who do not acquire these characteristics appears to be intrinsically unfit for these positions.

This is what has happened and has continued to proliferate white hegemony because even if we say let those most qualified sit in those positions, the screening will always bring about the same people who are of the group that has monopolized a certain industry or bracket and who passes that down to others of their group. Thus, an innocuous policy has bad results because of the original inequality. One of the arguments for affirmative action is that you would put women and people of color into those circles and widen that group and eventually those individuals would pay it forward. But the fear is that to break into such circles, individuals will be required to shed the characteristics of their original group and will fail to still feel connected. To quote Nas, "A lawyer left the hood, he never looked back."

that sounds really fishy and kinda irrelevant to black people imo

im not saying its wrong, i would say its obvious, hegemonic organizations promote exclusives systems that reinforce their hegemony, duh, how do you think they got to be hegemonic in the first place?

but what needs to be studied is how hegemonic systems are brought down, it is definitely correct that affirmative action would not bring down a hegemony for the aforementioned reasons

but if you read history you can see how hegemonic/monopolistic systems are brought down, some of the ways they are brought down is 1) they become archaic 2) paradigm shifts 3) asymmetric elements 4) overwhelming force

i think its cool to study systems and how they work, but its more important to study what brings them down, assuming you want to bring them down that is

 

[88m3]

that sounds really fishy and kinda irrelevant to black people imo

im not saying its wrong, i would say its obvious, hegemonic organizations promote exclusives systems that reinforce their hegemony, duh, how do you think they got to be hegemonic in the first place?

but what needs to be studied is how hegemonic systems are brought down, it is definitely correct that affirmative action would not bring down a hegemony for the aforementioned reasons

but if you read history you can see how hegemonic/monopolistic systems are brought down, some of the ways they are brought down is 1) they become archaic 2) paradigm shifts 3) asymmetric elements 4) overwhelming force

i think its cool to study systems and how they work, but its more important to study what brings them down, assuming you want to bring them down that is

Where there isn't race, there's class. Where there isn't class, there is anarchy.

 

[Serious]

Sounds like my fam. On some real shyt, when I was first going to college my dad and my uncles sat me down in the living room, I was like "oh shyt pops got his brothers, I'm really about to get yelled at. Dude found out about me putting that subtle dent in his car acting like I didn't know what happened."

They start preaching to me about family history and about how my older cousins are fukk ups and I got the family name on my back so don't disappoint


In my head I was like, "I just wanna go to college and fukk random rich chicks and wake up in strange places and not know how I got here."

I had one of those too. My moms won't let me f*ck up. Matter of fact, she made it her her 2nd job. Basically said anything I need, money, books, car, gas, insurance etc. No excuses. Heck I even quit my part time job, so I could "focus" more on school ( )



Can't let moms down though

One of my cousins is about to go to Med School this year too, sob, now I gotta, bust my tail off, getting straight A's and sh*t

 

[kermit da hustla]

I was a bit bothered how he quickly glossed over that.

it isn't surprising. white "liberals" don't wish to own up to the racist underpinnings of inequality in america. they make brief references to it, as he did in the beginning, but conspicuously drum up other reasons when the obvious answer is already sitting in front of them. to acknowledge racism is to admit to their own receipt of its benefits, which is why they are so cowardly in discussions of this issue.

even the environmental causes he touches upon have a racist component to them. it is all tied into the institution of white supremacy that still presides over black people in america.

 

[No1]

*doesnt go to school in America*

*Pays 6k a year for the best school in his respective country*

*half of it is paid for by low income bursury, so really its 3k*

That'll all even out when you try to go to law school in the states and you take out 250k in private loans because you're not from the states so you can't file FAFSA :obamaword:

 

[88m3]

That'll all even out when you try to go to law school in the states and you take out 250k in private loans because you're not from the states so you can't file FAFSA :obamaword:

I was under the impression it was next to impossible, if not impossible to qualify for fafsa and be a grad student.