Elon Musk wants to at least double H1-B’s and Green Cards. Says to hire more immigrants if America wants to “win”.

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When they start seeing more White women paired up with Indian men (like in Russia and Eastern Europe), then that’s when people will probably figure they should have voted for Kamala.

Like Reaganomics, the floodgates Elon, Trump and them Republicans are about to open will never be undone. What a fukking mistake of an election.
 
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Don't even debate the argument there is not enough local talent because it's a fukking lie. The current market, at least in tech, is absolute doo doo and I see new grads to 10+ YOE complaining about filling out 100 apps getting 2 call backs and no offers.

There is plenty of local talent. The issue is that American workers can't be exploited like an H1B visa guy can. You can make the H1B worker work 60 to 80 hours a week, including weekends, pay him less, and lord his visa over his head with the threat of revoking it at any time which means he is heavily coerced to capitualate to employer demands. They aren't going to dare unionize or complain like a spoiled American would. This sounds like hell to the American but even with these demands and pay these Indians still see it as an advantage over what they can get in India. Indians will tell you before anyone, avoid working for another Indian as they are awful.

Again, anytime you hear there is not enough talent it's immediately a lie.
 

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Americans are like the frog you put in cold water then slowly increase the temperature until it’s boiling and the frog doesn’t realize it until it’s a delicacy

These people playing in your faces. They want to run the country like it’s one of their businesses. Damn the citizens, cheap and abundant labor and pocket all the profits.

I wonder why Americans aren’t getting the degrees we need to compete or are un-motivated. Oh probably because education isn’t taken seriously by anyone in charge and higher learning is prohibitively expensive.

Higher education price tag was meant to keep the 'undesirables' out of higher education, and they want ALL students to be like Tony Stark, working 80 hours ago week for a mailman's salary. The juice is not worth the squeeze, especially on an unregulated industry where layoffs are commonplace and conmen like Elon are calling the shots. :unimpressed:
 

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When they start seeing more White women paired up with Indian men (like in Russia and Eastern Europe), then that’s when people will probably figure they should have voted for Kamala.

Like Reaganomics, the floodgates Elon, Trump and them Republicans are about to open will never be undone. What a fukking mistake of an election.


So America going to be a permanent 3rd world country?
 

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How about eliminating the cost for certain degrees that are critical for Americas future?....how about giving them students a monthly allowance to study these important subjects so they don't have to worry in the future instead of leaving them with huge debts and importing cheap workforce?

America is way too rich for all of this.....the department of goverment efficiency is going to make the rich richer and leave americans worse off.....The whole capitalistic system been crashing in on itself since the 80's......America needs a revolution.
I hate to break it to you but American society is in peak anti intellectualism era as far as the masses. With all this free knowledge. The barrier is not cost of entry. A lot of people don't have the foundation from grade school for higher learning. They've been failing upwards all their life.

In reality you will compete with someone that has prioritized learning all their life.. that's about motivation. It's gonna be tough for people to accept that the west backsliding in world rankings has them also to blame as far as the falling education standards which are directly fostering the stupidity gripping the masses. Learning has never been more free and accessible in modern society. It's just not a priority
 

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Musk is very dangerous. i think its safe to say that.

what are you guys thoughts on Peter Thiel?

Thiel been living in fear since the Healthcare CEO murder. Literally was on Piers Morgan sweating and scared of being outdoors anymore.

More Luigis are going to emerge.
 

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Don't even debate the argument there is not enough local talent because it's a fukking lie. The current market, at least in tech, is absolute doo doo and I see new grads to 10+ YOE complaining about filling out 100 apps getting 2 call backs and no offers.

There is plenty of local talent. The issue is that American workers can't be exploited like an H1B visa guy can. You can make the H1B worker work 60 to 80 hours a week, including weekends, pay him less, and lord his visa over his head with the threat of revoking it at any time which means he is heavily coerced to capitualate to employer demands. They aren't going to dare unionize or complain like a spoiled American would. This sounds like hell to the American but even with these demands and pay these Indians still see it as an advantage over what they can get in India. Indians will tell you before anyone, avoid working for another Indian as they are awful.

Again, anytime you hear there is not enough talent it's immediately a lie.

they will also accept low pay

a 100k job they will do for 60k and not complain as that's still better than whatever crappy rupees they could make in india
 

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Coli MAGAts. I’m voting for Trump because he’s gonna get rid of the immigrants and they’ll be forced to hire Black people

:dead: they gonna be working in them fields, sharecropping, for low paying as replacement of the Latinos that been deported. Those c00ns would never work in a white collar professional environment again if Trump has his way.
 

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In IT, the average worker is a fraud...Once you understand the landscape you will understand why outsourcing and H1B workers make MUCH more sense than hiring domestic workers.

I'd say 90% of big tech is filled with frauds who lie on their resume, lie about experience, google everything, barely get anything done and now use GenAI to basically do their work for them. I'm not even exaggerating, I do a shyt ton of interviews for supposedly top level talent and these MFs usually suck. And because they are all fraudulent, they are highly replaceable. So considering all that, which would you rather have...

Fraud from India on an H1B who takes the first offer he gets, will work in the office no questions asked, will work 12 hour days, works holidays, wild on call shifts, will take the bare minimum when it comes to bonus, and there is literally a pool of a million of these dusty MFs to draw from.

Fraud in the US who requires 40% more salary, wants to negotiate WFH, relocation fees, bonus structures, RSUs, yearly raises and still outputs the same shyt work as everyone else.

If you were running a company you would be a damn fool to hire American. There is no incentive to...thats just the reality.
 
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