Einstein's Letter on God Uncovered

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Letters of Note: The word God is the product of human weakness

In January of 1954, just a year before his death, Albert Einstein wrote the following letter to philosopher Erik Gutkind after reading his book, "Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt," and made known his views on religion. Apparently Einstein had only read the book due to repeated recommendation by their mutual friend Luitzen Egbertus Jan Brouwer. The letter was bought at auction in May 2008, for £170,000; unsurprisingly, one of the unsuccessful bidders was Richard Dawkins.

Translated transcript follows.

Princeton, 3. 1. 1954

Dear Mr Gutkind,

Inspired by Brouwer's repeated suggestion, I read a great deal in your book, and thank you very much for lending it to me. What struck me was this: with regard to the factual attitude to life and to the human community we have a great deal in common. Your personal ideal with its striving for freedom from ego-oriented desires, for making life beautiful and noble, with an emphasis on the purely human element. This unites us as having an "unAmerican attitude."

Still, without Brouwer's suggestion I would never have gotten myself to engage intensively with your book because it is written in a language inaccessible to me. The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can change this for me. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstition. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong, and whose thinking I have a deep affinity for, have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything "chosen" about them.

In general I find it painful that you claim a privileged position and try to defend it by two walls of pride, an external one as a man and an internal one as a Jew. As a man you claim, so to speak, a dispensation from causality otherwise accepted, as a Jew the privilege of monotheism. But a limited causality is no longer a causality at all, as our wonderful Spinoza recognized with all incision, probably as the first one. And the animistic interpretations of the religions of nature are in principle not annulled by monopolization. With such walls we can only attain a certain self-deception, but our moral efforts are not furthered by them. On the contrary.

Now that I have quite openly stated our differences in intellectual convictions it is still clear to me that we are quite close to each other in essential things, i.e; in our evaluations of human behavior. What separates us are only intellectual "props" and "rationalization" in Freud's language. Therefore I think that we would understand each other quite well if we talked about concrete things.

With friendly thanks and best wishes,

Yours,

A. Einstein
 

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I don't usually start religion threads but this is interesting as a corrective to the often-heard myth that Einstein believed in God because of his famous "God doesn't play dice with the universe" quote.
 

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the complete and utter rejection of god because he thinks its childish....that sounds pretty childish itself imo

he basically refused himself an opportunity to learn even more or potentially getting some type of broundgreaking knowledge

on one hand he considers the stories in it honorable but at the same time says its just a book of weaknesses? something about that sounds contradicted

im almost willing to bet the reason he rejected god is because as a child he was picked on(usually almost always the case) and because he didnt get his way it messed with the chemical reactions in his brain leaving him traumatized on the subject itself not willing to get into it much after that
 

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im almost willing to bet the reason he rejected god is because as a child he was picked on(usually almost always the case) and because he didnt get his way it messed with the chemical reactions in his brain leaving him traumatized on the subject itself not willing to get into it much after that

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I never understood the argument of "well such and such believed in GOd so BOOYA!" :manny:

It is what it is. Ultimately the choices we make in life either have the weight of eternity tagged to them...or they don't. It's an all or nothing game, for those who choose nothing well that's just it, it's a choice. For those who choose differently, well that's a choice too. Squabbling over a choice, particularly now that i'm older, makes no damn sense to me. Choose. Let other's choose, simple as that.
 

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Letters of Note: The word God is the product of human weakness

In January of 1954, just a year before his death, Albert Einstein wrote the following letter to philosopher Erik Gutkind after reading his book, "Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt," and made known his views on religion. Apparently Einstein had only read the book due to repeated recommendation by their mutual friend Luitzen Egbertus Jan Brouwer. The letter was bought at auction in May 2008, for £170,000; unsurprisingly, one of the unsuccessful bidders was Richard Dawkins.

Translated transcript follows.

Princeton, 3. 1. 1954

Dear Mr Gutkind,

Inspired by Brouwer's repeated suggestion, I read a great deal in your book, and thank you very much for lending it to me. What struck me was this: with regard to the factual attitude to life and to the human community we have a great deal in common. Your personal ideal with its striving for freedom from ego-oriented desires, for making life beautiful and noble, with an emphasis on the purely human element. This unites us as having an "unAmerican attitude."

Still, without Brouwer's suggestion I would never have gotten myself to engage intensively with your book because it is written in a language inaccessible to me. The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can change this for me. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstition. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong, and whose thinking I have a deep affinity for, have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything "chosen" about them.

In general I find it painful that you claim a privileged position and try to defend it by two walls of pride, an external one as a man and an internal one as a Jew. As a man you claim, so to speak, a dispensation from causality otherwise accepted, as a Jew the privilege of monotheism. But a limited causality is no longer a causality at all, as our wonderful Spinoza recognized with all incision, probably as the first one. And the animistic interpretations of the religions of nature are in principle not annulled by monopolization. With such walls we can only attain a certain self-deception, but our moral efforts are not furthered by them. On the contrary.

Now that I have quite openly stated our differences in intellectual convictions it is still clear to me that we are quite close to each other in essential things, i.e; in our evaluations of human behavior. What separates us are only intellectual "props" and "rationalization" in Freud's language. Therefore I think that we would understand each other quite well if we talked about concrete things.

With friendly thanks and best wishes,

Yours,

A. Einstein

:whew:

good stuff and this coming from the man who helped split the atom.
 

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I was with him till that last sentence :dead:

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I never understood the argument of "well such and such believed in GOd so BOOYA!" :manny:

It is what it is. Ultimately the choices we make in life either have the weight of eternity tagged to them...or they don't. It's an all or nothing game, for those who choose nothing well that's just it, it's a choice. For those who choose differently, well that's a choice too. Squabbling over a choice, particularly now that i'm older, makes no damn sense to me. Choose. Let other's choose, simple as that.
I think the problem is that people believe that if you become increasing spiritual you'll stop contributing to the concrete ideals of science. I let it go hand and hand personally. The more i learn about this reality, the more i stop taking religion for literal interpetations. Maybe as a child i believed all of it, but as i get older, i'm more concerned with the knowledge being passed along than the actual stories themselves... and as long as my questions extend beyond the reach of what science can answer, i see no reason to dispel god..

And my questions will always extend beyond what science can answer
 

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I was with him till that last sentence :dead:


I think the problem is that people believe that if you become increasing spiritual you'll stop contributing to the concrete ideals of science. I let it go hand and hand personally. The more i learn about this reality, the more i stop taking religion for literal interpetations. Maybe as a child i believed all of it, but as i get older, i'm more concerned with the knowledge being passed along than the actual stories themselves... and as long as my questions extend beyond the reach of what science can answer, i see no reason to dispel god..

And my questions will always extend beyond what science can answer

i can respect that.
I am somewhat like that. Certain things I question, certain things I take as supernatural or beyond my means of understanding. I do allow for belief in things I cannot explain though, that will remain and faith will continue to allow me to do that. I'm ok with that. :manny:

As i said it's really a choice.
Do you choose to say, you don't know and a man in the sky did it.
Do you choose to say, you don't know and never will.

At the end of the day you still don't know.
 
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