NYChase718
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Myth made up by the backpack rap scene
Educate a late stage Millennial on why the "Shiny Suit Era" was the beginning of the end for rap
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It didnt. It had no effect. People just hated seeing rappers have fun in the sea of gangsta rap. People hated that Puff wasnt trying to be a superthug. And the music was still great.
The south becoming the capital of hip hop ruined everything in the 00s. From fashion, to beats, to rudimentary vulgar lyrics. People can keep pretending otherwise but the complete nosedive happened right there. The South had no tact.
The south becoming the capital of hip hop ruined everything in the 00s. From fashion, to beats, to rudimentary vulgar lyrics. People can keep pretending otherwise but the complete nosedive happened right there. The South had no tact.
It's easy to just single the South out and blame it for everything wrong with Hip Hop, but there is little if any fact to that narrative. The South, like every region has produced its fair share of one hit wonders, but none of those rappers ever dictated where the culture was going. Soulja Boy, D4L, Dem Franchize Boyz, Shop Boyz, etc. didn't run Hip Hop at any point. They had their hits just like 95 South, 69 Boyz, etc. before them.
We can't act like MIMS, who was from NY didn't have a song called "This Is Why I'm Hot" that went #1 and he basically bragged about being able to be hot without saying nothing on the beat. Now you tell me which was more detrimental? Southern dance jingles where the intended purpose is to get people to dance or a song from Hip Hop's Mecca that's basically telling everybody "hey look, I can have a hot record without saying anything on the beat"?
shyt lasted what 1 or 2 years
But u had DMX takeover, cash money, no limit, Jay and Nas
Hip hop for me started to fall apart around 2011/12
But u had DMX takeover, cash money, no limit, Jay and Nas
Hip hop for me started to fall apart around 2011/12
Not necessarily..
It put the jeru the damajas and goodie mobs out of business...
The hip hop supermarket started losing the vegetables and added more sweets to the menu
Devil Plisken…CMS
Veteran
I DONT WANNA HEAR NO DJ QUIK THUG LIFE bytchES AINT shyt ASS nikka TALKIN CRAZY ABOUT SHINY SUITS
We all know Bad Boy gave us a reprieve from Music To Drive By
We all know Bad Boy gave us a reprieve from Music To Drive By
The Connoisseurs
Superstar
Don’t listen to those bitter Hip-Hop Heads telling you how real hip hop was because their favorite artist dissing “the man” while “The man” was cutting them checks and telling them when they can release their album.
Those “Fans” would probably walk by an independent artist tryna sell a CD out the trunk in the late 90’s/ early 2000’s.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
It undermined an entire culture and every historical piece of relevancy that made hiphop culture what it was.
It made a mockery of the message. When cubes career and Das efx was ended for the same misuse on check ya self.
Then on top of doing exactly the same type of culture thief based ideal.
It did not stop there.
just like cube did to ruin the source.
By instituting bribes that became public on mics.
Puff Continued to then misappropriate slang like Playa hating in what we now term as the troll term hating. Which made it completely impossible to critique or explain culturally the level of misappropriation taking place from that culture thief. Which started the brand of culture theft we now see as routine. That began the gross negligence and over degradation of skills and culture in hiphop. To now here we are.
Art Barr
A lot of people speaking out of turn in this thread. You was not and still no emcee or apart of any pillar in hiphop.
You only got a voice on the internet because of me. So stfu.
Tired of never was and never gon be's getting to talk. When they not even why they got the outlet to speak up. Stfu.
If you wanna talk.
What'chu write?
Miss me with that toy shyt.
It made a mockery of the message. When cubes career and Das efx was ended for the same misuse on check ya self.
Then on top of doing exactly the same type of culture thief based ideal.
It did not stop there.
just like cube did to ruin the source.
By instituting bribes that became public on mics.
Puff Continued to then misappropriate slang like Playa hating in what we now term as the troll term hating. Which made it completely impossible to critique or explain culturally the level of misappropriation taking place from that culture thief. Which started the brand of culture theft we now see as routine. That began the gross negligence and over degradation of skills and culture in hiphop. To now here we are.
Art Barr
A lot of people speaking out of turn in this thread. You was not and still no emcee or apart of any pillar in hiphop.
You only got a voice on the internet because of me. So stfu.
Tired of never was and never gon be's getting to talk. When they not even why they got the outlet to speak up. Stfu.
If you wanna talk.
What'chu write?
Miss me with that toy shyt.
AnonymityX1000
Veteran
When "Juicy" came out it was wildly out of place in NYC/east coast. You had artists doing very original things lyrically and beat wise (Gangstarr, Pete Rock and CL, Das, Digable Planets, etc.) Dude just rhymed over an instrumental it was jarring but Puff was a well respected exec and BIG could rhyme at least so he got a pass.
I remember when the One More Chance remix video came out tho and they jacked Big Ls MVP beat before he could release it as a single. Shyt was beyond obvious and foul but niqqaz rocked with the new. And then they bit the Nas cover for the Biggie cover and niqqaz rocked with it. Luckily, the album was good. Plus, BIG was doing a lot of R & B remix verses the ladies liked and Bad Boy was paying Hot 97 to play Bad Boy shyt ad nauseum when previously Hot 97 played everything pretty equally Hip Hop wise which they were new at, they had just changed from being a guido freestyle station to Hip Hop and really didn't know the music like that. While the stations that used to play Hip Hop Kiss FM and BLS kinda went strictly R and B for awhile because they didn't like the cursing/violence Hip Hop had began to bring more steadily.
It was complicated but basically Puff was well respected in the industry and he used business savvy to tilt the scales for his shyt. He got the ladies on his side and guys followed. Plus BIG was talented no way around that and when he died forget about it. Life After Death dominated for like 2 years straight. It even kinda dampened Wu Tang's double album in the Tri State cause it was all about BIG.
I remember when the One More Chance remix video came out tho and they jacked Big Ls MVP beat before he could release it as a single. Shyt was beyond obvious and foul but niqqaz rocked with the new. And then they bit the Nas cover for the Biggie cover and niqqaz rocked with it. Luckily, the album was good. Plus, BIG was doing a lot of R & B remix verses the ladies liked and Bad Boy was paying Hot 97 to play Bad Boy shyt ad nauseum when previously Hot 97 played everything pretty equally Hip Hop wise which they were new at, they had just changed from being a guido freestyle station to Hip Hop and really didn't know the music like that. While the stations that used to play Hip Hop Kiss FM and BLS kinda went strictly R and B for awhile because they didn't like the cursing/violence Hip Hop had began to bring more steadily.
It was complicated but basically Puff was well respected in the industry and he used business savvy to tilt the scales for his shyt. He got the ladies on his side and guys followed. Plus BIG was talented no way around that and when he died forget about it. Life After Death dominated for like 2 years straight. It even kinda dampened Wu Tang's double album in the Tri State cause it was all about BIG.
FukkaPaidEmail
Retired Hoodrat whisperer
nikkas are excusing the hell out of that shiny suit era and then turn around and shyt on the current era
this shyt is the twilight zone
this shyt is the twilight zone
En Sabah Nur
The First
I agree with this one.
97 rappers started trying to make happier music after the darkest and most tragic period in rap history...The bling era did more long lasting damage to hip-hop than the shiny suit stuff. Even Andre 3000 came out to tell all his south brethren making songs about their chains and watches "unless you opening a jewelry store, let's keep it hip-hop"
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The War Report
NewNewYork
The South taking over in the early to mid 00s fukked shyt up. fukking ringtone rap.
No way out and Harlem world was released in 1997. 2 arguable classics. The rhyming and song creation was top notch on both albums. Y’all let the media poison y’all brain with this made up term and a few music videos. By 1998 this era was over. If u want to even call something that lasted a year an era. Puff and Mase 2nd albums didn’t even drop yet. Jay and X took over.nikkas are excusing the hell out of that shiny suit era and then turn around and shyt on the current era
Saying, "The cap was minimal" is obviously taking it too far. But it did feel like there were so many songs and artists back then that weren't trying to go over the top all the time. It's weird watching videos from the mid-90s and just looking at how much more real they were in terms of people in regular clothes shot in regular scenery.
Now compare that to videos just a couple years later, where everything is pure flash in sanitized sets and loud as fukk: