Early Japanese visitor baffled by race in America (1872)

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He starts talking about race around the 8:00minute mark.

it’s actually sad this foreigner came to the US around that time and didn’t feel the slightest bit of discomfort. Wasn’t worried about his life. Yet, blacks at that time were being hunted.

I think his experience would have been very uncharacteristic. He was an official diplomat with government papers and credentials. People are going to be nice to him to avoid creating an international incident, and also he would have been kept away from the dregs of white American society. A normal Japanese civilian travelling through the US would have had a completely different experience, one where he would have been exposed to the ugliness of American society throughout his trip
 

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I think his experience would have been very uncharacteristic. He was an official diplomat with government papers and credentials. People are going to be nice to him to avoid creating an international incident, and also he would have been kept away from the dregs of white American society. A normal Japanese civilian travelling through the US would have had a completely different experience, one where he would have been exposed to the ugliness of American society throughout his trip
Ok, do u think an Haitian diplomat would have had the same experience as him? Or a dark skinned Indian from India? To give some context, Gandhi was told to use the colored bathroom when he visited the states.
 

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He starts talking about race around the 8:00minute mark.

it’s actually sad this foreigner came to the US around that time and didn’t feel the slightest bit of discomfort. Wasn’t worried about his life. Yet, blacks at that time were being hunted.
1872 was the middle of reconstruction. He might have had a different opinion if it was any other time period.
 

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Ok, do u think an Haitian diplomat would have had the same experience as him? Or a dark skinned Indian from India? To give some context, Gandhi was told to use the colored bathroom when he visited the states.

Gandhi was no diplomat. He was a political activist for an organisation that had little legal legitimacy at home and was constantly subjected to brutal police crackdowns. He certainly had no legitimacy at all in foreign countries. Why should you treat him well, what's the worst that can happen if you don't? If you mistreated a British ambassador you might see consequences of that in India, if you mistreat Gandhi nothing happens at all.

This is the issue: just because you are a diplomat doesn't mean you won't be mistreated and racially abused. It only means that there are certain consequences for if and when that happens. So if you want to treat somebody like shyt, when you find out he's a diplomat you have to ask yourself if its worth all the trouble that will come out of it,

The Racist Diplomatic Incidents That Embarrassed JFK Abroad

This article talks about the international humiliation suffered by the JFK administration when a diplomat from Sierra Leone was refused service at a restaurant because of segregation:

"People realized that the eyes of the world were upon us,” says Romano. “We needed to live up to some of these ideals [of democracy and civil rights] in order to maintain our international stature and uphold our ideological struggle in the Cold War.”

The incidents didn’t just cause problems for the diplomats: When news broke of yet another African dignitary being refused coffee or cursed out by a waitress, it became fodder for America’s Cold War enemies. Fitzjohn’s experience at Howard Johnson’s, for example, was decried in the Soviet Union, which upheld it as an example of American hypocrisy. The USSR even attempted to persuade the United Nations to move its headquarters out of the United States in response to the country's racist laws.

So it's in your best interests to treat diplomats well, otherwise bad things can happen. It doesn't mean you aren't racist, only that you're pragmatic enough to pick on somebody who's truly powerless, like a Gandhi type who is basically just a civilian. But sometimes people don't think that far ahead and just go and do shyt anyway.

So to test your idea, what we need to see is a 19th century travel diary written by a Japanese tourist or a document written by an immigrant. Then we can get a good comparison.
 

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Gandhi was no diplomat. He was a political activist for an organisation that had little legal legitimacy at home and was constantly subjected to brutal police crackdowns. He certainly had no legitimacy at all in foreign countries. Why should you treat him well, what's the worst that can happen if you don't? If you mistreated a British ambassador you might see consequences of that in India, if you mistreat Gandhi nothing happens at all.

This is the issue: just because you are a diplomat doesn't mean you won't be mistreated and racially abused. It only means that there are certain consequences for if and when that happens. So if you want to treat somebody like shyt, when you find out he's a diplomat you have to ask yourself if its worth all the trouble that will come out of it,

The Racist Diplomatic Incidents That Embarrassed JFK Abroad

This article talks about the international humiliation suffered by the JFK administration when a diplomat from Sierra Leone was refused service at a restaurant because of segregation:



So it's in your best interests to treat diplomats well, otherwise bad things can happen. It doesn't mean you aren't racist, only that you're pragmatic enough to pick on somebody who's truly powerless, like a Gandhi type who is basically just a civilian. But sometimes people don't think that far ahead and just go and do shyt anyway.

nah breh. I get what you're saying. But you can tell if people are being nice to you because they have to be. Watching the video, i got the impression the japanese foreigner was deeply perceptive. And a person like that would be able to distinguish honest interactions from dishonest ones.

the only way a japanese or other fair skinned person would have feared for their safety back then is if they were recent immigrants who didnt speak english too well. Other than that, if you were a japanese individual born in this country or if you spoke english well, I seriously doubt u would find yourself being harassed on the same level as blacks were.

also, this was back in late 1800s when most people werent educated. im sure dude interacted with the locals (who werent obligated to treat him well). Yet, he didnt experience anything negative worth recording.

This aint the same breh.
 

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Gandhi was no diplomat. He was a political activist for an organisation that had little legal legitimacy at home and was constantly subjected to brutal police crackdowns. He certainly had no legitimacy at all in foreign countries. Why should you treat him well, what's the worst that can happen if you don't? If you mistreated a British ambassador you might see consequences of that in India, if you mistreat Gandhi nothing happens at all.

This is the issue: just because you are a diplomat doesn't mean you won't be mistreated and racially abused. It only means that there are certain consequences for if and when that happens. So if you want to treat somebody like shyt, when you find out he's a diplomat you have to ask yourself if its worth all the trouble that will come out of it,

The Racist Diplomatic Incidents That Embarrassed JFK Abroad

This article talks about the international humiliation suffered by the JFK administration when a diplomat from Sierra Leone was refused service at a restaurant because of segregation:



So it's in your best interests to treat diplomats well, otherwise bad things can happen. It doesn't mean you aren't racist, only that you're pragmatic enough to pick on somebody who's truly powerless, like a Gandhi type who is basically just a civilian. But sometimes people don't think that far ahead and just go and do shyt anyway.

So to test your idea, what we need to see is a 19th century travel diary written by a Japanese tourist or a document written by an immigrant. Then we can get a good comparison.
Fukk Gandhi I’d piss on that racist fukks grave right now :pacspit:
 

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This is now Japan was a strong ass militaristic empire back then.
No it was then.

Please do the knowledge on that samurai culture everyone worships so much from them.

They can sit the hell down because all their rich ancient culture did was bring them to atomic destruction.

Had they been following Christ, things would have turned out better
 
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