Dr. Narcisse
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Can see Bron and Rich Paul for a split second when Wagner was working out for the draft.
I miss The Life
I miss The Life
Dujuan Wagner’s Son is the #1 HS Player in the Nation
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But that hasn’t stopped ESPN and his father from playing high expectations on him, so it’s fair game to talk about whether he has the talent to match it.
I don’t like the concept of basketball player rankings for high school kids that aren’t juniors or seniors, but it’s content generator and money involved so it’s fair game.
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steph_harden
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What's the time stamp broski
Dr. Narcisse
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18 seconds in you can see Bron standing while Wagner is shooting jump shots.
He daps Bron up at 4:06
At 6:47 you see Rich on the right and Bron on the left. Tim Grover in the middle running the workout.
SuperNintendo Chalmers
Send it to the friggin moon idiot
Wagner had game.
Dillah810
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Didn't Dajuan score over 100 points in a HS game once?
edit: nevermind, just saw the youtube post.
Dr. Narcisse
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I remember debating how Wagner was going to be better than Jay Williams. They both had injuries ruin their career.
Both Jersey guys
Both Jersey guys
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Time to Stan another juanny
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Good Breakdown
Bronny James vs. high school LeBron -- how they compare
They are very similar at this stage when it comes to passing -- both love to be facilitators and can impact the game with their unselfishness. Remember that LeBron could have easily been the all-time leading scorer in the state of Ohio (he graduated at No. 3 all time, and is now No. 5) but was a willing playmaker who possessed uncanny vision and pinpoint accuracy. Bronny has played at a high level and has demonstrated that same affinity for dropping dimes to his teammates. During the high school season against his dad's alma mater St. Vincent- St. Mary, Bronny made one of the best passes I witnessed all season -- an alley-oop to B.J. Boston thrown from just over half court. He passed the ball across his body to deliver a perfect alley-oop that was on time and on target.
At the same stage, Bronny also exhibits the same level of poise throughout the game, an above-average basketball IQ and the ability to make the right play.
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Bronny James drops dime to Amari Bailey for the layupBronny James threads the needle and finds Amari Bailey for the layup.
A main difference at the same stage is in their approach. LeBron would look to take over games with an aggressive style, both within his age group and while facing older players. When LeBron was in high school, he was the star of the team. As a freshman at the varsity level this past season, Bronny was surrounded by older, top-level talent and deferred more -- which was smart. This will naturally change as he gets older. When Bronny plays his age group, he is more aggressive and scores with variety, and you can feel his presence as one of the best players on the court.
Bronny James' game differs from his famous dad's, but they have several key characteristics in common. AP Photo/Jay LaPrete
It should also be noted that when it comes to shooting the ball from the outside, Bronny's jumper is ahead of where his dad's was. Neither shot could be described as "pure," but Bronny has slightly better range and accuracy than LeBron did at this stage.
And of course, the biggest difference is that very few people knew who LeBron was before high school. The outsized expectations are unprecedented for Bronny. LeBron's performances in his early high school days created an enormous amount of excitement, so much so that we stopped recruiting him at Ohio State as a junior -- he'd already played himself into an NBA lottery pick and would become the No. 1 choice. LeBron's success has guaranteed an intense level of social media scrutiny for Bronny, and expectations and pressure from fans that is unrealistic.
Still, Bronny has handled every moment extremely well, with maturity, and even embraced the spotlight to some degree. I can see his dad's influence on his game, and definitely on his traits of being a good teammate, respecting the game and striving for completeness as a player. Bronny is his own person and player, will run his own race and will get where he needs to be based on his own talent and traits.
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Bronny drains transition 3-ballB.J. Boston dishes to Bronny James Jr. who makes the open 3-pointer.
If you were coaching Bronny right now, what would be the most important elements of his game you'd have him working on?
Shooting, ballhandling (especially under pressure) and finishing.
The first and most important thing Bronny can do is become a drop-dead 3-point shooter both off the catch and off the dribble. That will take time -- it's a huge process and a major commitment -- but can also open up his offensive game. It will make him a legitimate threat behind a ball screen, coming off a screen or spotting up from a teammate's penetration. Once the jumper is respected, Bronny can drive and become even more dangerous.
Mastering the midrange jumper, especially when coming downhill off a ball screen, and polishing up an already nice floater will also be key. Once Bronny enters the paint -- and to complement his floater -- learning to operate from a jump stop is his next step.
When it comes to handling the ball, Bronny will face strong defenders as he gets older. The next level of development for Bronny will be to show he is comfortable and confident utilizing both hands, playing lower, changing his speed and direction. When the defense applies the heat, his development of the all-important "retreat dribble" will be needed to shake off defenders.
Finally, once he's near the rim, the ability to finish effectively and efficiently with both hands on both sides of the rim will be critical.
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Bronny shows off court vision for Sierra Canyon bucketBronny James Jr. zips a pass inside to Shy Odom for a Sierra Canyon lay-in.
How key will Bronny's physical growth be in your future evaluations of him? If he approaches his father's height of 6-foot-9, or stays closer to his current listed height of 6-foot-2, how much will that disparity matter? How will it affect what position he plays at future levels?
More height allows Bronny to become more of a multidimensional player. If not, his focus will be as a point guard.
He already has good ball skills, advanced vision and IQ, and those qualities will only evolve and improve over the next three years. When you factor in a possible height change and additional wingspan, it enhances Bronny's paint scoring ability, playmaking talent, rebounding and defensive versatility. If he grows, we are talking about a potential big guard in a forward's frame, with versatility on both ends of the floor.
If he doesn't grow, he still will be one of the best in his class but will need to home in on becoming a scoring point guard who can be a playmaker, shot maker and defender of opposing point guards.
In the summer before his freshman year, LeBron grew close to 6-4 and was an elite athlete. By his sophomore year, according to St. Vincent-St. Mary coach Dru Joyce II, LeBron was 6-6 and would grow to 6-7 by his senior year. Bronny's physical growth could determine how he impacts the game at the highest level. His ultimate potential will be greater if he can get that growth spurt that his dad had, although in today's game, shooting the ball at a high clip puts you on the floor regardless of your size.
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Bronny channels Kobe, LeBron with reverse dunkDuring warm-ups, Bronny James rises up for a reverse dunk just like the ones his dad and Kobe Bryant did.
At this moment, are you evaluating Bronny as a one-and-done/G League path candidate, or would his game and development be better-suited to a college environment?
The one-and-done choice is a long way off for Bronny, and his potential to go that route will be based solely on a high school performance level that we simply can't assess yet.
When you look at him right now, he plays a team game, seems to enjoy being part of a team and is a good teammate, characteristics that would make him ideal for the college game. I can see Bronny thriving among peers in a campus setting -- he would certainly bring excitement and impact to college basketball. If he projects as a multiple-year player at the collegiate level, college would seem a natural choice.
The new G League path that Jalen Green and others have opted for is more for those who want to try and get into the NBA as quickly as possible, or who place a higher value on the financial component and want to train during the day versus fulfilling academic requirements. Players going that route might miss out on the incomparable atmosphere of packed arenas on national TV, but they are compensated very well.
Bronny shows out in front of dad, clutch in Sierra Canyon's winBronny James drops 15 points, including the go-ahead layup in front of his dad, LeBron, to lead Sierra Canyon past St.Vincent-St. Mary.
By the time he is ready to make that decision, one can only imagine how big Bronny's brand will be, but brands don't equate to automatic success at higher levels. When his body, skills, habits and maturity all blend together, that will be Bronny's time to assess the next level.
Based on his current performances against his peers, with the same up-and-down moments all young players experience, Bronny is in a terrific spot. With game improvement and his physical measurables changing, he will certainly influence the game more and become more consistent and productive.
Whatever happens over the next three seasons, Bronny should be in no rush
At the same stage, Bronny also exhibits the same level of poise throughout the game, an above-average basketball IQ and the ability to make the right play.
play
0:24
Bronny James drops dime to Amari Bailey for the layupBronny James threads the needle and finds Amari Bailey for the layup.
A main difference at the same stage is in their approach. LeBron would look to take over games with an aggressive style, both within his age group and while facing older players. When LeBron was in high school, he was the star of the team. As a freshman at the varsity level this past season, Bronny was surrounded by older, top-level talent and deferred more -- which was smart. This will naturally change as he gets older. When Bronny plays his age group, he is more aggressive and scores with variety, and you can feel his presence as one of the best players on the court.
Bronny James' game differs from his famous dad's, but they have several key characteristics in common. AP Photo/Jay LaPrete
It should also be noted that when it comes to shooting the ball from the outside, Bronny's jumper is ahead of where his dad's was. Neither shot could be described as "pure," but Bronny has slightly better range and accuracy than LeBron did at this stage.
And of course, the biggest difference is that very few people knew who LeBron was before high school. The outsized expectations are unprecedented for Bronny. LeBron's performances in his early high school days created an enormous amount of excitement, so much so that we stopped recruiting him at Ohio State as a junior -- he'd already played himself into an NBA lottery pick and would become the No. 1 choice. LeBron's success has guaranteed an intense level of social media scrutiny for Bronny, and expectations and pressure from fans that is unrealistic.
Still, Bronny has handled every moment extremely well, with maturity, and even embraced the spotlight to some degree. I can see his dad's influence on his game, and definitely on his traits of being a good teammate, respecting the game and striving for completeness as a player. Bronny is his own person and player, will run his own race and will get where he needs to be based on his own talent and traits.
play
0:23
Bronny drains transition 3-ballB.J. Boston dishes to Bronny James Jr. who makes the open 3-pointer.
If you were coaching Bronny right now, what would be the most important elements of his game you'd have him working on?
Shooting, ballhandling (especially under pressure) and finishing.
The first and most important thing Bronny can do is become a drop-dead 3-point shooter both off the catch and off the dribble. That will take time -- it's a huge process and a major commitment -- but can also open up his offensive game. It will make him a legitimate threat behind a ball screen, coming off a screen or spotting up from a teammate's penetration. Once the jumper is respected, Bronny can drive and become even more dangerous.
Mastering the midrange jumper, especially when coming downhill off a ball screen, and polishing up an already nice floater will also be key. Once Bronny enters the paint -- and to complement his floater -- learning to operate from a jump stop is his next step.
When it comes to handling the ball, Bronny will face strong defenders as he gets older. The next level of development for Bronny will be to show he is comfortable and confident utilizing both hands, playing lower, changing his speed and direction. When the defense applies the heat, his development of the all-important "retreat dribble" will be needed to shake off defenders.
Finally, once he's near the rim, the ability to finish effectively and efficiently with both hands on both sides of the rim will be critical.
play
0:19
Bronny shows off court vision for Sierra Canyon bucketBronny James Jr. zips a pass inside to Shy Odom for a Sierra Canyon lay-in.
How key will Bronny's physical growth be in your future evaluations of him? If he approaches his father's height of 6-foot-9, or stays closer to his current listed height of 6-foot-2, how much will that disparity matter? How will it affect what position he plays at future levels?
More height allows Bronny to become more of a multidimensional player. If not, his focus will be as a point guard.
He already has good ball skills, advanced vision and IQ, and those qualities will only evolve and improve over the next three years. When you factor in a possible height change and additional wingspan, it enhances Bronny's paint scoring ability, playmaking talent, rebounding and defensive versatility. If he grows, we are talking about a potential big guard in a forward's frame, with versatility on both ends of the floor.
If he doesn't grow, he still will be one of the best in his class but will need to home in on becoming a scoring point guard who can be a playmaker, shot maker and defender of opposing point guards.
In the summer before his freshman year, LeBron grew close to 6-4 and was an elite athlete. By his sophomore year, according to St. Vincent-St. Mary coach Dru Joyce II, LeBron was 6-6 and would grow to 6-7 by his senior year. Bronny's physical growth could determine how he impacts the game at the highest level. His ultimate potential will be greater if he can get that growth spurt that his dad had, although in today's game, shooting the ball at a high clip puts you on the floor regardless of your size.
play
0:16
Bronny channels Kobe, LeBron with reverse dunkDuring warm-ups, Bronny James rises up for a reverse dunk just like the ones his dad and Kobe Bryant did.
At this moment, are you evaluating Bronny as a one-and-done/G League path candidate, or would his game and development be better-suited to a college environment?
The one-and-done choice is a long way off for Bronny, and his potential to go that route will be based solely on a high school performance level that we simply can't assess yet.
When you look at him right now, he plays a team game, seems to enjoy being part of a team and is a good teammate, characteristics that would make him ideal for the college game. I can see Bronny thriving among peers in a campus setting -- he would certainly bring excitement and impact to college basketball. If he projects as a multiple-year player at the collegiate level, college would seem a natural choice.
The new G League path that Jalen Green and others have opted for is more for those who want to try and get into the NBA as quickly as possible, or who place a higher value on the financial component and want to train during the day versus fulfilling academic requirements. Players going that route might miss out on the incomparable atmosphere of packed arenas on national TV, but they are compensated very well.
Bronny shows out in front of dad, clutch in Sierra Canyon's winBronny James drops 15 points, including the go-ahead layup in front of his dad, LeBron, to lead Sierra Canyon past St.Vincent-St. Mary.
By the time he is ready to make that decision, one can only imagine how big Bronny's brand will be, but brands don't equate to automatic success at higher levels. When his body, skills, habits and maturity all blend together, that will be Bronny's time to assess the next level.
Based on his current performances against his peers, with the same up-and-down moments all young players experience, Bronny is in a terrific spot. With game improvement and his physical measurables changing, he will certainly influence the game more and become more consistent and productive.
Whatever happens over the next three seasons, Bronny should be in no rush
Imo...and yes there a lot of pros who come from pro parents...Bronny is going to have to put all his efforts towards basketball in the future to reach his full potential. Less time on twitch and all that other stuff. Gotta have that hunger of the guys are doing without.
Even the guys with pro fathers, like Steph, live and breathe basketball.
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Bob Hurley tooI remember debating how Wagner was going to be better than Jay Williams. They both had injuries ruin their career.
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It seems like he’s content right now with enjoying being a kid and not worried about the other stuff. Time will tell whether he will develop the drive and hunger that his father has to help him reach his potential.
Judging by how Bronny came off the bench and was surrounded by future NBA players, he should take that ranking as a win
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Well thats the pro/con of it. Good thing is he's got options in life and can just enjoy it. Its just when Bron was saying "I want to play with my son in the NBA" etc...all that pressure means he needs to have the hunger Bron had.
