Drinking and Blacking out un-appreciation thread

[thoushallhustle]

Welp he already came in and addressed your posts. But to further elaborate from personal experience, I am faaaaaar from an alcoholic. At the time I only drank once every other weekend to go out to party. I wasnt coping for no personal problems or nothing. It was just a case of a nikka not realizing what he was doing until it was already done. Normally 5 shots in that time period wouldnt even be enough to get me blacked out, come to think of it it was more than 5shots but however many it was it really was a result of the circumstances I put myself under (not eating and sleeping). Friends of mine drank the same amount and they didnt black out and Im the same size as them so it made me wonder was so different when I drank. I did the research and realized what I did wrong (no sleep, empty stomach, drink too fast).

Ive drank under those same conditions and never blacked out. Im not saying you have a problem right now im saying you are vulnerable to developing one. People need to stop thinking just because your life isnt in shambles you dont have a problem.

 

[Roger Sterling]

Of course not. Could be a symptom of another disease. But what other disease would binge drinking apply to?

The point you're missing, and that's key to my argument, is that it isn't necessarily indicative of anything other than someone trying to have a good time and, perhaps, overdoing it in the process. Reading the rest of your post I can see why you'd be quick to think it might be something serious but more often than not it isn't. I mean, keep in mind the context of the t/s' story.

Ive been to rehab twice. And Its common sense. Too much of anything is bad for you. Bulimics go on food binges, cokeheads go on coke binges, etc etc.

Right, but bulimia and narcotic addiction are both categorically illnesses. There's a marked difference between alcoholism, a disease, and "abusing alcohol." One speaks to a dependence while the other is more to do with potentially disruptive behaviour - missing work/school, getting thrown into the drunk tank, etc. Even for the latter what the t/s describes doesn't seem to have much to do with any sort of life-altering fukkery.

Anyway most people with substance abuse problems start off having a good time in the beginning. Its all fun until something is triggered inside them and they start self medicating. A drinkign problem is something that develops over time but some people are simply born more vulnerable to developng one.

Some people may be more prone to problems later on down the road, true enough, and I even said as much in my earlier post. Either way, it's as I said, I think because of your own experience you're more apprehensive about the subject. Jumping at shadows and what not.

wouldnt put too much stock in stats on drug addiction because there are alot of undocumented people that never seek professional help for their problem due to a variety of reasons. Denial and ignorance being big ones. Are you aware that physicians have the highest rate of alcoholism and the lowest rate of treatment??

Like any statistic we have about, well, anything, it's always going to be based on a sample group. Inferences are made from there. Dismissing them outrightly is naive at best, willfully ignorant at worst.

Like I said an alcoholic doesnt have x amount of drinks before he can be considered one. Substance abuse is not a cut and dry type of thing in that sense. here are just a few

I wasn't asking for a cut-and-dry definition but rather your opinion.

 

[StreetDawah]

Never fully blacked out, but had a few instances where I couldn't remember shyt for part of the night. For instance, I went out to the club with the fam one night and they said I was being creepy and hitting on chicks, and acting all thirsty. I think a lot of me missing bits and pieces of my night was because I didn't eat much that day.

Thank God I stopped drinking... Just gonna stick to tokin.

 

[Roger Sterling]

Ive drank under those same conditions and never blacked out. Im not saying you have a problem right now im saying you are vulnerable to developing one. People need to stop thinking just because your life isnt in shambles you dont have a problem.

Gonna have to stop you right there.

Following this sort of mentality is akin to saying "whenever you get in a car you're at risk of dying."

True? Perhaps. Meaningful in the real world? Hardly.

 

[L&HH]

Ive drank under those same conditions and never blacked out. Im not saying you have a problem right now im saying you are vulnerable to developing one. People need to stop thinking just because your life isnt in shambles you dont have a problem.

I really appreciate your concern (not being sarcastic either). From your previous post I really see where your coming from and I will take heed to your warning. But i honestly dont think I will be having some kind of alcoholic issues later *crosses finger*. The only time I drink is when Im goin out, and every time I go out I dont drink.

Using your analysis a whole lot of people I know (pretty much 70% of the college population) are at risk of being alcoholics then.

 

[thoushallhustle]

The point you're missing, and that's key to my argument, is that it isn't necessarily indicative of anything other than someone trying to have a good time and, perhaps, overdoing it in the process. Reading the rest of your post I can see why you'd be quick to think it might be something serious but more often than not it isn't. I mean, keep in mind the context of the t/s' story.

I can understand overdoing it if your a college freshman or something, my point is the blacking out is not a normal response and can indicate problems down the road. Just like if someone has asthma they might not have any problems but if they smoke cigarettes and exacerbate the problem it can develop into something worse.


Right, but bulimia and narcotic addiction are both categorically illnesses. There's a marked difference between alcoholism, a disease, and "abusing alcohol." One speaks to a dependence while the other is more to do with potentially disruptive behaviour - missing work/school, getting thrown into the drunk tank, etc. Even for the latter what the t/s describes doesn't seem to have much to do with any sort of life-altering fukkery.

its a snowball effect. it usually goes something like experimenting<social drinking<substance abuse<full blown addiction. If a person is lucky they will realize its a problem before it gets to the last stage. Its a verrrry slippery slope. the dependence and physically disruptive behavior go hand in hand.


Some people may be more prone to problems later on down the road, true enough, and I even said as much in my earlier post. Either way, it's as I said, I think because of your own experience you're more apprehensive about the subject. Jumping at shadows and what not.

No Ive just been around enough people who have been there to know when someone is headed down the same path. Most dont want to accept it until its developed into full blown alcoholism. Its like the different stages of cancer. If someone found a lump on their breast wouldnt you advise them to seek help or would you wait until its full blown cancer and they're at deaths door??


Like any statistic we have about, well, anything, it's always going to be based on a sample size. Inferences are made from there. Dismissing them outrightly is naive at best, willfully ignorant at worst.

No ones dismissing them simply stating that the number is probably higher. You didnt give much background info on where you got the stats from but I know from personal experience and speaking with numerous professionals that there are alot of undiagnosed folks out there just like with any disease but addiction is worse because of the stigma attached to it


I wasn't asking for a cut-and-dry definition but rather your opinion.

I think if a person gets drunk and makes an ass outta themselves and they still keep getting drunk and making an ass outta themselves, they have a problem.

 

[thoushallhustle]

Gonna have to stop you right there.

Following this sort of mentality is akin to saying "whenever you get in a car you're at risk of dying."

True? Perhaps. Meaningful in the real world? Hardly.

no because a car accident can be caused by factors outside of your control.

I really appreciate your concern (not being sarcastic either). From your previous post I really see where your coming from and I will take heed to your warning. But i honestly dont think I will be having some kind of alcoholic issues later *crosses finger*. The only time I drink is when Im goin out, and every time I go out I dont drink.

Using your analysis a whole lot of people I know (pretty much 70% of the college population) are at risk of being alcoholics then.

thank you. i hope you dont develop one either.

 

[Roger Sterling]

I can understand overdoing it if your a college freshman or something, my point is the blacking out is not a normal response and can indicate problems down the road. Just like if someone has asthma they might not have any problems but if they smoke cigarettes and exacerbate the problem it can develop into something worse.

Actually, blacking out is the normal response for heavy drinking in a short span. High alcohol levels naturally inhibit memories from forming, etc. The issue we're arguing about, I think, is whether the precursor to that is "abnormal" and/or a sign of a more serious problem. The drinking heavily part, that is, which is debatable.

its a snowball effect. it usually goes something like experimenting<social drinking<substance abuse<full blown addiction. If a person is lucky they will realize its a problem before it gets to the last stage. Its a verrrry slippery slope. the dependence and physically disruptive behavior go hand in hand.

By usual do you mean to say that's applicable for most people? That's not believable at all. If you just mean for those with alcoholism problems later in life, fine. Whether they go hand-in-hand is another matter. They certainly aren't mutually exclusive, sure, but they aren't mutually inclusive either. The latter being the case for most has almost always been my experience.

No Ive just been around enough people who have been there to know when someone is headed down the same path. Most dont want to accept it until its developed into full blown alcoholism. Its like the different stages of cancer. If someone found a lump on their breast wouldnt you advise them to seek help or would you wait until its full blown cancer and they're at deaths door??

Poor analogy, I think, mostly because you're persisting with the idea that HED will invariably lead to alcoholism or put one at an abnormally high risk for it. I've disagreed several times already about that. Meanwhile, swollen lymph nodes in a woman's breast can, at times, be a definitive indication for cancer.

Out of curiosity, when considering the absurd rates of binge drinking on uni campuses and wherever, do you think the majority of post-grads become alcoholics? What's your best guesstimate?

No ones dismissing them simply stating that the number is probably higher. You didnt give much background info on where you got the stats from but I know from personal experience and speaking with numerous professionals that there are alot of undiagnosed folks out there just like with any disease but addiction is worse because of the stigma attached to it

Was some page on the CDC website, I believe - closed it and I'm not too inclined to go searching again at the moment... I probably should though. Anyway, there's a margin of error attached to all stats, of course, but it's typically not so large as to put results into question by very much.

I think if a person gets drunk and makes an ass outta themselves and they still keep getting drunk and making an ass outta themselves, they have a problem.

That might be a problem but I was asking of your cut-off definition for what made someone an "alcoholic" though.

 

[Roger Sterling]

no because a car accident can be caused by factors outside of your control.

That's neither here nor there when accounting for the supposed risk that's present as soon as you turn the key in the ignition and pull out, outside of your control or otherwise.

 

[wutang512]

shyt.... Ive blacked out about 2 times in my life.
the first time I blacked out in my cousins house in the bathroom. All i remembered was going to the bathroom taking a piss turning on the faucet and...... Bam I woke up on the couch the next day. My cousin said he had to take the door handle off the door because I wouldnt open up. He opened the door finding me on the bathroom floor with the water running in the sink.

2nd time I blacked out I was downtown with a bunch of friends and family members
Man I woke up the next day not knowing where the hell I was freaking the fukk out. I had throw-up on the outside and inside of my Pea-Coat. I had dried up throw-up in my nose. I had tons of numbers I had gotten from that night from people I don't remember.

What made it worse is my cousin said I was talking to this fine ass asian hoe in the club and I got her number and everything and she was ready to fukk..... My dumb ass dropped my phone in the kitchen and broke it. I was without a phone for 2 weeks straight.



nikka I have yet to fukk a asian hoe!!!!

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

A normal person doesnt black out. If they drink too much they throw up and pass out. An alcoholic will drink too much black out and keep going. Drastic personality chnges are another symptom too though.

This shyt is stupid and the reason I often have trouble taking alcoholism seriously as a "disease". Blackouts are caused by a rapid increase in blood alcohol. Anyone can blackout if they consume too much too quickly. So yes a normal person can black out, can happen to someone who's never had a drink in their life and tries alcohol for the first time.

 

[Bone$]

have blacked mad times, always from drinking too fast, or trying to hurry up and get right before going out, or already at a club...shyt sucks mostly, its like u didnt even go out, if all u remember is going in the club and the first 30 mins, the the next then u know ur waking up like what the?

 

[...and some waffle fries]

Happened to me twice. Once in south Carolina and to this day I swear I fukked my homegirl. The 2nd time I was in Okinawa and fukked this chick in my unit. Blacked out while she pulled down my pants. She did say a nikka was straight beast mode on the p*ssy that night and it was the most memorable fukk she's ever had

When were you in Okinawa. I was there for 3 years.


this nikka was drinking 151 and hen. Wtf you think was gon happen. Yeah, you inexperienced. But we all started there tho.

 

[thoushallhustle]

Actually, blacking out is the normal response for heavy drinking in a short span. High alcohol levels naturally inhibit memories from forming, etc. The issue we're arguing about, I think, is whether the precursor to that is "abnormal" and/or a sign of a more serious problem. The drinking heavily part, that is, which is debatable.

No its not. If you consume too much alcohol you body will reject it and you will vomit. In extreme cases you will die.


By usual do you mean to say that's applicable for most people? That's not believable at all. If you just mean for those with alcoholism problems later in life, fine. Whether they go hand-in-hand is another matter. They certainly aren't mutually exclusive, sure, but they aren't mutually inclusive either. The latter being the case for most has almost always been my experience.

No just alchies. Normal people have a bad experience and either quit altogether or tone it down a bit. They arent mutually inclusive or exclusive of course there are cases of one existing without the other but what im saying is the little things tend to develop into bigger problems.


Poor analogy, I think, mostly because you're persisting with the idea that HED will invariably lead to alcoholism or put one at an abnormally high risk for it. I've disagreed several times already about that. Meanwhile, swollen lymph nodes in a woman's breast can, at times, be a definitive indication for cancer.

No im not saying that at all. Binge drinking after negative consequences is a symptom of a problem, blacking out can be a symptom AND a risk. If someone is blacking out they might not have a problem at the moment, but if someone is binge drinking even though they know its not a good idea then it IS a problem.

Out of curiosity, when considering the absurd rates of binge drinking on uni campuses and wherever, do you think the majority of post-grads become alcoholics? What's your best guesstimate?

No. There are a bunch of other variables to consider.


Was some page on the CDC website, I believe - closed it and I'm not too inclined to go searching again at the moment... I probably should though. Anyway, there's a margin of error attached to all stats, of course, but it's typically not so large as to put results into question by very much.

but it can be a large magin of error. Science changes all the time.


That might be a problem but I was asking of your cut-off definition for what made someone an "alcoholic" though.

there is no cut off definition. Some people can drink and then stop one day and never look back, others arent so lucky.

This shyt is stupid and the reason I often have trouble taking alcoholism seriously as a "disease". Blackouts are caused by a rapid increase in blood alcohol. Anyone can a blackout if they consume too much too quickly. So yes a normal person can black out, can happen to someone who's never had a drink in their life and tries alcohol for the first time.

ok can you talk like a big boy?? there is no need to cuss boo its not that serious if you would like to talk about this like a big boy use factual evidence and not some urban myths. FYI the first time I tried alcohol I took 15 shots (15th bday) and I didnt black out. I threw all that shyt up and eventually passed out. I remember everything about the night in great detail. I dont know why youre hung up on one thing I said.

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

ok can you talk like a big boy?? there is no need to cuss boo its not that serious if you would like to talk about this like a big boy use factual evidence and not some urban myths. FYI the first time I tried alcohol I took 15 shots (15th bday) and I didnt black out. I threw all that shyt up and eventually passed out. I remember everything about the night in great detail. I dont know why youre hung up on one thing I said.

Every post you've made in this thread has been terrible.

You taking 15 shots on your 15th birthday is irrelevant to the conversation and doesn't prove anything at all. You want me to use factual evidence when all you do is drop anecdotes in every post.

Show me a medical explanation of how normal people aren't able to black out like you claimed. That doesn't even make sense.