This is true to the extent that Drake is just Budden with more money but this album sucks man. Come on.
Drake Responds To Joe Budden ' Take On His Album"You Failed @ Music..."
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Piff Perkins
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Also another weird example of Budden constantly attempting to recast himself as some non-problematic Friend Of Women as if he didn't sit on a woman's stomach until she miscarried. Adults can date or fukk who they want. If either Joe or Drake want to fukk around with 25 year old women (or younger) who cares. But Joe fukking those women while judging Drake for it is wild lmao.
My only issue with it, Drake-wise, is pursuing younger women and crying when they aren't serious or leave you for guys with less money. Maybe that should tell you something Aubrey. I get that part of that is just musical expression and making songs that appeal to women ("I want her but she's a bad bytch and has her own plans") but at this point you're nearly 40 brah. It's not hitting the same. And given that hoes are down for the ride and can get it whether someone is worth 100mil or 20mil...I'm not sure why he's mad. When Drake was the 10mil nikka guess what, he was bagging chicks from richer (older) dudes. That's partially why Swizz, Kanye, and Timbo stopped fukking with him. Now he's in the same spot and mad that hoes are fukking with rookie contract NBA players lol.
First part I agree with 1000% it’s actually smart rebranding by him because most kids and casual people have grown accustomed to see Joe as a podcaster internet guy who gossips like Akademiks and others except, like Drake put it, that’s not who he really was and why his opinion about Drake can come off as more bitter than what Joe claims it is. This guy has found a way to beef with Drake on and off for going on 8 straight years now lol. You can tell he’s a fan of Drake but also he’s bipolar ass Joe Budden and idc how sober he claims he is he still got pill head tendencies so he was overdue to hate on Drake again.
As for Drake? The grow up route is weird because juicy j and other rappers can do the same style/material for 3 decades but Drake has to be everything to everyone all at once. That’s partially his fault for trying to appeal to everybody. Which is why I don’t understand why he doesn’t do like he did with honestly nevermind and just drop genre exclusive lps. Could do a straight rn Drake album with 5-8 songs, a straight rap BARS tape for the Smokey old nikkas in the vein of 8am in Charlotte for 5-6 songs, and songs hyper youth sounding shyt he does with Yachty, Sexxy Redd, and Teezo for 5-7. I know WHY he won’t do this because those numbers, breaking records, high sells that he knows he needs to hit forces him to combine everything together.
Drake is a victim of his success. He’s nailed to the “top spot” unlike say Cole and Kendrick who a comfortable selling less but being treated WAY more favorable than him. If we being real, that last Kendrick album wasn’t as good as FATD, CLB, or Her Loss but because Kendrick is Kendrick he doesn’t get the same reactions from say Joe Budden. Drake’s expectations are at its highest last few years and an average album will be picked apart by everyone including Joe Budden.
Piff Perkins
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I agree the expectations are wild. And you're right to bring up Honestly Nevermind. People cay he never takes risks or does different shyt but we all remember that album dropping and getting clowned to death here and on social media. I don't think it's a particularly good or forward leaning album, certainly not the same year Beyonce dropped a superior house/dance album. But I'll give him credit (even though he clearly heard Beyonce's album and decided to jump on the wave a month early).
"Old Drake" means 3-4 different things to different people at this point so he can't win. But you know who else had that problem and thrived? Kanye. And when he decided to go left with 808s and then Yeezus, he reaped the rewards commercially and/or creatively. I just don't see that type of freedom or talent from Drake, who (like you said) is more interested in breaking records. Congrats I guess...and yet this album makes it clear he really wants the acclaim and respect Kendrick has received. Crying about Grammys and shyt like a child lol.
I agree on Kendrick too. That album was disappointing and I'm a Kdot stan. But I'll give him credit for making a deeply personal, vulnerable album. I'd have less of an issue if the non-personal records on there were up to par. That album is full of commercial or modern records, the issue is many of them are just ok. If that album had the same personal records (Father Time, Mother I Sober, etc) while also having DAMN-level commercial records the reaction would have been entirely different IMO. His rapping and songwriting just seem to have declined IMO, to the point I'm concerned about the future. Like...it doesn't sound like he wants to rap, and instead wants to do this weird almost anti-rap shyt with the troll rap shyt. Meanwhile Cole out here killing verses. We'll see what happens this winter with the collab album Kendrick is (allegedly) dropping. But man I think the Keem connection has really hurt him as a RAPPER.
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Gizmo_Duck
blathering blatherskite!
When you drop albums every year the bar is already on the floor. People are just tired of drakes formula and they’ve been waiting to get it off for a minute, low key
In this age you gotta give people a chance to miss you a little.
What’s wild is juicy j is bytching about people not buying music as if he’s not the reason!!!
I think the album sucks and that he's been mid since Scorpion so we just have different ears. Putting that aside, this is a very pro-Drake take from an obvious big time fan. You're projecting how you perceive people outside of Drake standom to be and it's a problematic and unhelpful take. It's actually everything wrong with critiques today - the need to cast anyone who disagrees with you as some sort of hater or trying to define their perspective in a light most favorable to your favorite instead of what's actually being said. It reads as some sympathetic post to Drake like he's some sort of victim. Drake makes the exact sort of music he wants to make because he wants to be a pop star and is an algorithm-driven artist. And no, he cannot make an album of straight bars because he has not been lyrically dope for going on 5 years. The fact that you thought 8AM in Charlotte was bars is indicative of this.
Go listen to the guy who outrapped J. Cole on the Jodeci freestyle and then listen to the dude who ducked the smoke from Cole on this album. Accept who he is and accept that our critiques are out of disappointment. Drake is older than me b - we grew up on the same shyt -- the nikka keeps rapping and TELLING YOU that he's not interested in hip hop like that but then gets upset when he gets negative reviews from hip hop fans -- it's insanity. You just said Kendrick's last album wasn't as good as FATDs -- come on my nikka -- like what? I'm not even a Kendrick fan like that (on record on here).
You actually think Kendrick and Cole wake up and go --- you know what, let me make less hits so I won't be judged as harshly? Did you type this shyt? Drake is being judged this harshly because he's a hit driven artist with weak ass "hits" on this album and even weaker raps. He appealed to no one. Juicy J and them nikkas never labeled themselves as a GOAT - everyone who has been labeled a GOAT has been criticized for content and range. If you're saying he's just a Super Saiyan version of Nelly like I've said since Views then I agree.
JetFueledThoughts
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Joe isnt wrong for his opinion and Drake isn’t wrong in what he said, but Drake looks like a butthurt bytch over typing novels on IG about an opinion he claims to not care about.
And regardless of what Joe did in his career,,, his opinion isnt that off base. You can tell this album was influenced by younger vibes, shyt Yachty feels like he A&R’d the shyt and you can feel that because aside from 8am in Charlotte and Away From Home there aren’t many songs here you point to like ‘oh yeah that’s Rap Drake in his bag’. It’s too young of an album for a guy in his late 30s w/ a kid, that’s it.
And regardless of what Joe did in his career,,, his opinion isnt that off base. You can tell this album was influenced by younger vibes, shyt Yachty feels like he A&R’d the shyt and you can feel that because aside from 8am in Charlotte and Away From Home there aren’t many songs here you point to like ‘oh yeah that’s Rap Drake in his bag’. It’s too young of an album for a guy in his late 30s w/ a kid, that’s it.
How Joe get quentin tarantino to show up
Kanye to me has a better eye for finding the next sound and building entire albums around it
It’s a reason why Kanye was able to make decent albums in so many different genres; he found whoever was VERY GOOD at that sound, and basically worked directly with them and it shows. The gospel choirs for his gospel album, Kids See Ghost with Cudi, the last good chance had during his life of Pablo run etc
Drake us similar but people expect him to go back to who he was when it was him 40 and 1da trying to prove themselves
Yachty doesn’t have the vision to create the Drake album that everyone will love either but that’s another story
Gizmo_Duck
blathering blatherskite!
Drake has never been as musically talented as Kanye he just markets himself better as a pop artist. Even his verse on the cole track sounded like it was trying to channel ye, and it fell flat.
Even the recent kanye albums that no one really talks about anymore are far more intersting sonically than everything drake has been dropping since Views.
BK The Great
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Drake is about to have every ''failed'' rapper on his head.
I think besides 2-4 songs this album is fine. Drake overdoes albums which is why when he makes fun of people for deluxe albums it’s corny.I think the album sucks and that he's been mid since Scorpion so we just have different ears. Putting that aside, this is a very pro-Drake take from an obvious big time fan. You're projecting how you perceive people outside of Drake standom to be and it's a problematic and unhelpful take. It's actually everything wrong with critiques today - the need to cast anyone who disagrees with you as some sort of hater or trying to define their perspective in a light most favorable to your favorite instead of what's actually being said. It reads as some sympathetic post to Drake like he's some sort of victim. Drake makes the exact sort of music he wants to make because he wants to be a pop star and is an algorithm-driven artist. And no, he cannot make an album of straight bars because he has not been lyrically dope for going on 5 years. The fact that you thought 8AM in Charlotte was bars is indicative of this.
Go listen to the guy who outrapped J. Cole on the Jodeci freestyle and then listen to the dude who ducked the smoke from Cole on this album. Accept who he is and accept that our critiques are out of disappointment. Drake is older than me b - we grew up on the same shyt -- the nikka keeps rapping and TELLING YOU that he's not interested in hip hop like that but then gets upset when he gets negative reviews from hip hop fans -- it's insanity. You just said Kendrick's last album wasn't as good as FATDs -- come on my nikka -- like what? I'm not even a Kendrick fan like that (on record on here).
Drake does seem tired or definitely needs a break. He’s dropped more actual projects than Cole and Kendrick combined and it’s likely because he signed those new deals where he has to hit streaming numbers. With that said it’s still clearly good records he’s putting out. Search and Rescue was solid yet wasn’t even on this album. It felt more like a lead single than the sza record which absolutely was a bad decision as a lead.
Since Her Loss he did “Meltdown” where he was good, “Church hill Downs” where he dog walks Harlow, “Oh U Went” where he carries it, “Wait For You”, and “On The Radar”
I’ll say this he definitely needs a break and to do something besides touring because he seems drained and agitated. The roll out was one of the sloppiest he’s ever done. But it’s still good music on this tape I think the way it was delivered messed with how people perceived it