Drake can never be as good as Jay-Z

[mobbinfms]

I still remember where I was when I heard this, its older than the date it was uploaded to YouTube...

Some time in April 2013, I was cruising around midnight in Fayetteville, NC after dropping off. This was the promo lead into Nothing Was The Same, and this was when his lyricism took an edgier, and frankly, more lyrical style. It's a one verse song, but I still think it's one of his 5 hardest verses, and easily one of my Top 5 Drake tracks. It was a shift into the new Drake, I remember when I heard it late on the local radio station I was like damn, when he start coming like this?

I will always jam this muhfukka...





Drake is a Top 50 rapper and he can be compared to Hov off the strength of his success this decade...

If we're talking strictly emceeing, as in raw rap lyricism, of course not, but I've been told Jay also isn't a Top 50 "emcee". That's a different convo though, being an All-Timer is about more than being able to rap good...



The only rapper competing with Drake for #1 of the 2010s is K. Dot. Everybody else, and I do mean EVERYBODY, is below those two, and we're over 9 years complete of this decade, with less than 9 months to go. Those two nikkas defined rap this decade more than any other individuals. Nobody is catching them...

So yes, he already lapped his contemporaries. People like Jay, Ye, Wayne, Em, those dudes are all from older generations than Drake so they not really contemporaries, so I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about rappers who blew and/or had they biggest success this decade...

Rap is a sport, and Drake is a GOAT. Not Top 10, not probably Top 20, and I'm not exactly sure where he would fit, but it is a real stretch to say he not in the Top 50...



I mostly agree with you, but I do think that So Far Gone has more substance than any of his other work. Legendary tape....

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Don't get it confused because I'm defending Drake fellas (and @ThiefyPoo), I'm the biggest Jay-Z fan. He the best rapper ever, excluding nobody, I've stood on my square on that from prison debates to arguments at work, etc. I will take that debate with anybody anyone wants to put up, trust...

But we in here downplaying Drake's legacy. I get it if you don't like him, but the reasoning in here is mostly emotional with no objectivity...

Drake is not a top 50 rapper. He is a hybrid artist.

 

[Maximus Rex]

Drizzy got y'all defensive and on the ropes

 

[jfkennedy]

Drake is not a top 50 rapper. He is a hybrid artist.

LOL.

 

[Da_Eggman]

Spoiler

Yooo that Bron face has smiley potential

 

[TheHonorableOmarSharif]

Drake could never do this to review his career:





That's my Hov.

 

[mobbinfms]

LOL.

He’s never made a rap album. All of his albums are mixtures of hip hop and other genres.

 

[the cac mamba]

in other news, breathing water can never be as good as breathing air

 

[Take It In Blood]

Nobody actually thinks hes better than Jay except for white people and women

 

[Jerz-2]

This thread is laughable...just like Drake stans.

 

[NYtymes]

Jay is the god mc, drake has ghostwriters ... of course he could never be better

 

[XannyWarbucks]

I always thought he peaked from NWTS - IYRTITL, then the Meek shyt happened and he went back to singing(Even though I thought Passionfruit... shyt, most of More Life was everything that Take Care tried to be, but better) and overusing memes to stay in the spotlight. Honestly though, it's weird to say that he'll be a "in the moment" artist, but he really does feel like it. HE jumps on a bunch of shyt and it gets forgettable. Somebody mentioned In My Feelings, but by summer people were already on "Sicko Mode" I think he hops so much that it oversaturates any legacy his music might hold. I don't hear anyone pop an old Drake hit at any function, it's just new shyt and that's cool, but.. eh, it's just odd that a Drake set doesn't really pop. It always just transitions rap to bachata hits, atleast in the Bronx, Uptown and Jersey-- never stands on its own.

Not calling him top-50 is crazy, even as a hybrid it's still influenced by hip-hop, he has the numbers and longevity to prove it. He's also had too many good tracks to be disrespected like that.

 

[Music Fiend]

Certain shyt you just have to experience yourself. Not everything but certain aspects of life you have to experience 1st hand on order to put your soul in your music.

You aint answer the question homie.

I agree with you on that. But who's to say a suburban cat doesn't have any life experiences?

Obviously the hood is on another level of daily living. But suburban doesnt always mean silver spoon or easy living without struggle.

Hell it might even be harder to get on in the rap game not being a street nikka.

Jay in his own league. Drake in his own league.

 

[obarth]

The only rapper competing with Drake for #1 of the 2010s is K. Dot. Everybody else, and I do mean EVERYBODY, is below those two, and we're over 9 years complete of this decade, with less than 9 months to go. Those two nikkas defined rap this decade more than any other individuals. Nobody is catching them...

So yes, he already lapped his contemporaries. People like Jay, Ye, Wayne, Em, those dudes are all from older generations than Drake so they not really contemporaries, so I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about rappers who blew and/or had they biggest success this decade...

Rap is a sport, and Drake is a GOAT. Not Top 10, not probably Top 20, and I'm not exactly sure where he would fit, but it is a real stretch to say he not in the Top 50...

I don't care what you, or even I, think of J. Cole; he is in the discussion with Kendrick and Drake. He has the hits, the sales, the fanbase, and the respect from his peers and his predecessors to be in that discussion. So again, this dude hasn't separated himself enough from his contemporaries to be in arguments with GOATs.

 

[murksiderock]

Drake could never do this to review his career:





That's my Hov.

The whole track....verse 3 ome of Hov's hardest verses EVER...

Too much relatable shyt in that song, a couple years back I would play this shyt and rap it to my experience--->"half of my nikkas got time, we done real things/by '14 became the subject of half of these nikkas rhymes"....

Too much relatability:

"Got my transporters, took em cross the border then stopped/set up shop bout a quarter a rock, here's the plan/for three straight weeks nikkas slaughtered the block"...

That and A Million And One/Rhyme No More:

"I used to be OT, applying the force/shoot up the whole block then the iron I toss"...

People can't question my Jay-Z stanning lmao, I re-enacted the In My Lifetime cover for my 27th birthday (my avi) hahahahaha....

Trust bro, I don't think he's Jay, but I think we're underselling Drake's impact in here...

I don't care what you, or even I, think of J. Cole; he is in the discussion with Kendrick and Drake. He has the hits, the sales, the fanbase, and the respect from his peers and his predecessors to be in that discussion. So again, this dude hasn't separated himself enough from his contemporaries to be in arguments with GOATs.

Cole is a step below both Drake and Kendrick. Cole is in the Top 5 of the '10s artists, I'm a big fan. Everything you said about him is true but there's a gap between Kendrick/Drake and Cole/Future...

 

[sayyestothis]

This is where I raise the question to you: Why does it matter where a dude is from?

This is why so many cats out here capping today. Just because a dude is from the suburbs does not mean life was easy, and it does not make him less official. Everyone wants to glorify the hood aspect of their lives for the raps but really why is that so important?

Can someone not make a deep or lyrical song without being from the hood? Prior arrests mean you got something to say? Selling drugs makes your music hit harder? Never balled before fame like the majority of stars?

I'm not here to push the narrative that Drake is touching Jay, cuz he's not. But its not for any of those criteria.

To answer bolded.

1. No
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes

Just be from the burbs breh. U cant change ur life but u will NEVER have an understanding experience others do that grew up in the hood.