Essential Dragonball Super? New series set after Majin Buu saga

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I am not reading this but I legit had hope Vegeta wouldn’t get played....... again.

Like it’s Charlie Brown and the football every time he thinks he is going to beat the big bad
 

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Bro stop tagging me with dumb posts. How you know who I am but I have no idea who you are?? I’ve been posting on so hh since 07.. Lol nikka get out of my mentions.

nikkas mad that the main character is doing what he’s suppose to do in his manga hahahah. Y’all some goofy ass clowns. Goku will always be the hero.

Type of stupid nikkas that get mad when Batman saves the day in a Batman comic.

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So you've been shyt posting for a long time. Congratulations nikka.
 

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They could’ve at least made Vegeta’s power up crucial to Goku’s eventual win but nah. For example he keeps Spirit Fission going to buy Goku time, but nope Goku gets the power up for the umphteenth time and mollywaps bad guy.

At this point Toriyama doesn’t care he’s just cashing checks.
 
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I don’t get the Goku hate.

He didn’t get the kill against Freeza, they gave that to trunks.

He didn’t throw one punch against the androids, they let the rest crew shine on that.

He didn’t get the kill on Cell they gave Gohan that one

He was absent the majority of the buu saga and got the Kill against the weaker version of buu, and Gohan technically got the big power boost.

Didn’t beat Beerus
Shared the spotlight against Golden freeza
Draw with Hit
Draw with Jiren with android 17 getting the Win
And shared the spotlight against Broly

Goku don’t get as much wins as y’all make it seem.
 

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I don’t get the Goku hate.

He didn’t get the kill against Freeza, they gave that to trunks.

He didn’t throw one punch against the androids, they let the rest crew shine on that.

He didn’t get the kill on Cell they gave Gohan that one

He was absent the majority of the buu saga and got the Kill against the weaker version of buu, and Gohan technically got the big power boost.

Didn’t beat Beerus
Shared the spotlight against Golden freeza
Draw with Hit
Draw with Jiren with android 17 getting the Win
And shared the spotlight against Broly

Goku don’t get as much wins as y’all make it seem.

Its less the wins and the shine. Toriyama created a vibrant world and leaves those characters left in the lurch.

And lets be honest breh, since Super its been the Goku show. Even in Heroes as well.
 
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Its less the wins and the shine. Toriyama created a vibrant world and leaves those characters left in the lurch.

And lets be honest breh, since Super its been the Goku show. Even in Heroes as well.

I mean it’s his show tho.

These galactic threats the strongest person on the team is usually gonna win that fight.

DBZ problem is that they’ve powerscaled them too unevenly. Too big of a gap between the top guys and everyone else. Then they just keep adding different versions of the same character

Piccolo, hit and Jiren are all the same trope. All look the same.

I think they need to send Vegeta on a quest of his own.
 

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I mean it’s his show tho.

These galactic threats the strongest person on the team is usually gonna win that fight.

DBZ problem is that they’ve powerscaled them too unevenly. Too big of a gap between the top guys and everyone else. Then they just keep adding different versions of the same character

Piccolo, hit and Jiren are all the same trope. All look the same.

I think they need to send Vegeta on a quest of his own.

:russ: Breh they just did that. He learned Instant Transmission and Spirit Fission. You can’t call it the Goku show after showing how others got the W.

I agree the gap is the too huge and the plot gets formulaic, but that Toriyamas’s fault. God Ki and Moro went a long way to resetting power levels but he instantly fukks it up with UI. That should a been a technique acquired at end of the show/manga. Now we are right back to big bank take little bank. No skills or techniques other than steal power or bigger power.

I’ll still read it because it’s dragon ball, but I have no expectations of it, other than being nothing but fight porn.
 

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I don’t get the Goku hate.
I don't hate Goku. I actually liked him as a kid and have respect for him and his character. But it's easy to understand why people don't fukk with him, his character, and the way he's portrayed.

He didn’t get the kill against Freeza, they gave that to trunks.
Yes, Trunks got the "official" kill. But nobody cared at that point, because we also saw Goku defeate Frieza and leave him for dead. That left a bigger impact. Goku bodied him, Trunks laid the chalk down.

He didn’t throw one punch against the androids, they let the rest crew shine on that.
He fought Android 19 and caught the heart virus in the middle of a fight he was easily winning. I know they needed a way to get him out the storyline, but it cheapened Vegeta's W against 19. Goku should have flat out taken a clean L to 19. Then it makes the Androids look stronger and also made Vegeta's W look a whole lot better.

He didn’t get the kill on Cell they gave Gohan that one
Yes, but he didn't flat out lose. He fought Cell before, and was helping Gohan see how Cell fights and then helped him fully kill Cell at the end after sacrificing himself. He did sacrifice himself though so :manny:

He was absent the majority of the buu saga and got the Kill against the weaker version of buu, and Gohan technically got the big power boost.
Kid Buu was only weaker than Super Buu after he absorbed Gohan, Gotenks, and Piccolo. So even that version was super strong. Gohan got the power boost, but he also went out like a ho.

Didn’t beat Beerus
Nobody's beating Beerus. That's absurd. Even then he was holding his own and didn't take the definitive L

Shared the spotlight against Golden freeza
He basically had Frieza beat though before Sorbet interfered. Which cheapened Vegeta's W once again, because we clearly saw Frieza beaten. So Vegeta's performance didn't mean shyt.
Draw with Hit
He wasn't going to beat Hit in the tournament, and he basically quit. He got the out once again instead of taking the definitive L.
Draw with Jiren with android 17 getting the Win
He basically won before the tine ran out on his body. Jiren was done for. 18 only got the win because he was the last person left. Goku and Frieza played cleanup. And there was no way Goku should have had any fight left in him after God power zapped everything he had in his body.

And shared the spotlight against Broly
I'll give you this one. No complaints here.

Goku don’t get as much wins as y’all make it seem.
It's not that he gets the wins. It's that he's protected and always made to look strong no matter what. Rarely do we see him in compromising situations. Even when he doesn't get the W and even takes a L, he comes out looking good/strong. And it's to the detriment of other characters, who fans have been drawn to and built an investment in
 
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I don't hate Goku. I actually liked him as a kid and have respect for him and his character. But it's easy to understand why people don't fukk with him, his character, and the way he's portrayed.


Yes, Trunks got the "official" kill. But nobody cared at that point, because we also saw Goku defeate Frieza and leave him for dead. That left a bigger impact. Goku bodied him, Trunks laid the chalk down.


He fought Android 19 and caught the heart virus in the middle of a fight he was easily winning. I know they needed a way to get him out the storyline, but it cheapened Vegeta's W against 19. Goku should have flat out taken a clean L to 19. Then it makes the Androids look stronger and also made Vegeta's W look a whole lot better.


Yes, but he didn't flat out lose. He fought Cell before, and was helping Gohan see how Cell fights and then helped him fully kill Cell at the end after sacrificing himself. He did sacrifice himself though so :manny:


Kid Buu was only weaker than Super Buu after he absorbed Gohan, Gotenks, and Piccolo. So even that version was super strong. Gohan got the power boost, but he also went out like a ho.


Nobody's beating Beerus. That's absurd. Even then he was holding his own and didn't take the definitive L


He basically had Frieza beat though before Sorbet interfered. Which cheapened Vegeta's W once again, because we clearly saw Frieza beaten. So Vegeta's performance didn't mean shyt.

He wasn't going to beat Hit in the tournament, and he basically quit. He got the out once again instead of taking the definitive L.

He basically won before the tine ran out on his body. Jiren was done for. 18 only got the win because he was the last person left. Goku and Frieza played cleanup. And there was no way Goku should have had any fight left in him after God power zapped everything he had in his body.


I'll give you this one. No complaints here.


It's not that he gets the wins. It's that he's protected and always made to look strong no matter what. Rarely do we see him in compromising situations. Even when he doesn't get the W and even takes a L, he comes out looking good/strong. And it's to the detriment of other characters, who fans have been drawn to and built an investment in

I mean, it’s been like this since dragonball. There’s really no way to write Goku in a compromising manner at this point. Not like they can kill him again, they’ve done that three times. Vegeta probably shoulda gotten the W but hey, he got a cool new ability :manny:

At the end of the day they still gotta market this show towards kids.
 

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Let Vegeta get a ssj4/wrathful form and fuse the primal Saiyan Powers with God ki. give him hyperfocus to combat UI’s instantaneous movement. Have piccolo go to namek and undergo the “dragon” ritual to fuse with a set of dragon balls and it’s dragon to have God ki.
 

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Meh. I don't think Moro's interesting enough as a villain to require MUI of all things, especially with this discount Cell transformation he's got going on. Should've saved this for some final villain or maybe even Beerus whenever they fight again.

What also made MUI compelling the first time were the rather dire circumstances behind it in the Tournament of Power with Goku's entire universe being threatened by a benevolent, yet indestructible force in Jiren. Say what you will about the character, but Jiren's presentation as an obstacle and combatant was EPIC.

Moro seemed cool enough at first with the magical abilities, but now he's just a stronger, more generic version of King Piccolo with some Majin Buu type gimmicks. :beli:

They could've just let Vegeta win this one.:snoop:
 
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