Does Immigration Actually Threaten American Culture

[tru_m.a.c]

again, you can define American culture anyway you want because there are different aspects to it

ok can we destroy this addition by subtraction shyt that is so prevalent with definitions

If American culture is the sum of different aspects, then defining it by one aspect DOES NOT COMPLETE THE DEFINITION.

All you've done is define the aspect that YOU personally identify with. But that's a part of the whole. That's what I don't think white ppl, seem to understand.

 

[theworldismine13]

A kid unfortunate enough to have to live in a neighborhood where cops are ordered by their superiors to harass & detain citizens w/o cause is not as free as a kid in a neighborhood where cops protect and serve

A dude w/brown skin and an Arabic name is not as free as John Smith going through airport security

A Mexican immigrant, legal or not, in a state that is openly + vehemently anti-Latino immigrant is not as free as an American or non-Latino immigrant

Theres oppression occuring right here within American borders... I'm not even going to get into what we are doing abroad. So the idea that America is this bastion of "institutionalized freedom" is garbage. There are many pretty widespread + egregious examples of American institutionalized oppression

Like I said in our previous exchanges you can keep sucking corporate America's dikk and ignoring the injustices that are still taking place as we speak... That's your choice... but don't get haughty when nikkas call a spade a spade

well like i said, to make the case that stopping somebody because of their skin is wrong you would have to resort to the american concept of individual freedom, thats why i believe its important to adhere to "american culture" and that is the basic premise of the civil rights movement, im sure the peopel who wrote it did not imagine that it would apply to negroes but thats their problem, its a great concept and a great idea and its important to push it forward

and the article was simply stating that the ideas of individual freedom and democracy will eventually win no matter who comes to the country

Im unsubscribing cause you dont have the capacity to think but I said my piece

peace out

 

[theworldismine13]

ok can we destroy this addition by subtraction shyt that is so prevalent with definitions

If American culture is the sum of different aspects, then defining it by one aspect DOES NOT COMPLETE THE DEFINITION.

All you've done is define the aspect that YOU personally identify with. But that's a part of the whole. That's what I don't think white ppl, seem to understand.

im responding/agreeing to the article, by bashing the article or the Gawd Emperor, do you guys actually understand what you are bashing?

i think yall forgetting what the point of the article is, its basically saying immigration is good and the decline of white people is irrelevant, america would still be a rich powerful country, the article was basically applying Darwinian principles to culture, the parts of american culture that are superior will survive no matter who comes to the country, and the parts that aren't will come to an end

 

[tru_m.a.c]

im responding/agreeing to the article, by bashing the article or the Gawd Emperor, do you guys actually understand what you are bashing?

i think yall forgetting what the point of the article is, its basically saying immigration is good and the decline of white people is irrelevant, america would still be a rich powerful country, the article was basically applying Darwinian principles to culture, the parts of american culture that are superior will survive no matter who comes to the country, and the parts that aren't will come to an end

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with the idea that immigration is good. Most folks have been arguing that the stated reasons seem trumped up. And that there are better arguments to be made.

I just think what I find unsettling about all these discussions, is how it seems like white folks are now "allowing" us to define American culture. It's like "oh well yeah y'all proved you care about the election process....I guess America is now yours."

 

[The Real]

its pretty obvious he was talking about US residents that have a wide access to information and its pretty obvious he is talking about decades and centuries

He may have been talking about US residents, but that's hard to believe considering the article is specifically about immigration and immigrants, which means the US borders aren't limits to the group of people in his argument. Regardless, I used the America examples for a reason- my argument applies here, too.

As for decades and centuries, that's not relevant to the point I'm criticizing. He specifically says that all of us choose to believe things on an individual basis, through a "learning process" and rational decisionmaking. That doesn't take decades or centuries. It may take longer time scales for demographics to shift on a larger level, but I'm addressing his point that individuals adopt culture through free will and rational decision.

so im not sure how using the example of pakistan villager or instant decision making applies

It applies because he is making a claim about a universal process by which humans acquire beliefs. I am using a real-world example to show that his account of that process ignores a number of important empirical situations that would disprove it.

You don't have to take my example as instant decision-making, either. I also criticized his idea that people will change over time when presented with "correct" or "better" options in terms of belief with the America example.

so you are saying your political and religious views are the most logical on the planet and anybody that disagrees with you is making an illogical decision?

No, I'm saying that culture is not a simplistic matter of rational decisionmaking and that demographics are much more important than the author wants to admit.

 

[Chris.B]

It does..Native Americans never had a chance when the cacs came in.

Their "American culture" was ruined.

 

[theworldismine13]

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with the idea that immigration is good. Most folks have been arguing that the stated reasons seem trumped up. And that there are better arguments to be made.

I just think what I find unsettling about all these discussions, is how it seems like white folks are now "allowing" us to define American culture. It's like "oh well yeah y'all proved you care about the election process....I guess America is now yours."

well

well one argument stated here is that america is rich and powerful because of slavery and oppression of other people, but my beef with that is then that logic would say that america will decline as white people become the minority and black people and immigrants gain power and do not engage in oppression

i think its important to make the case that american wealth comes from individual freedom and liberty if it isnt the case then what would be the point of letting immigrants in, the browning of america would simply coincide with the decline of america, in that case i think anti immgrationists would have a point

 

[theworldismine13]

He may have been talking about US residents, but that's hard to believe considering the article is specifically about immigration and immigrants, which means the US borders aren't limits to the group of people in his argument. Regardless, I used the America examples for a reason- my argument applies here, too.

As for decades and centuries, that's not relevant to the point I'm criticizing. He specifically says that all of us choose to believe things on an individual basis, through a "learning process" and rational decisionmaking. That doesn't take decades or centuries. It may take longer time scales for demographics to shift on a larger level, but I'm addressing his point that individuals adopt culture through free will and rational decision.



It applies because he is making a claim about a universal process by which humans acquire beliefs. I am using a real-world example to show that his account of that process ignores a number of important empirical situations that would disprove it.

You don't have to take my example as instant decision-making, either. I also criticized his idea that people will change over time when presented with "correct" or "better" options in terms of belief with the America example.



No, I'm saying that culture is not a simplistic matter of rational decisionmaking and that demographics are much more important than the author wants to admit.

if the environment encourages free will that will encourage rational decision making, if the environment doesn't encourage free will then there will be less rational decision making

so pakistan cant be compared o the US

i dont see how the fact that people think obama is a muslim or they believe in evolution means anything or is a counter argument, people still believe the world is flat and we faked the moon landing, but i think the general direction and beliefs of american society is that obama isnt a muslim and evolution is real, its not trying to take account for individual opinion, its taking account of the general opinion and how it changes over time

 

[Brown_Pride]

what about immigration discourages free will?

 

[theworldismine13]

what about immigration discourages free will?

nothing, i have no idea what you are asking

 

[Brown_Pride]

Because the title of your thread is," "Does Immigration Actually Threaten American Culture."

You then defined american culture as freedom, individuality and sugar cookies.

 

[theworldismine13]

Because the title of your thread is," "Does Immigration Actually Threaten American Culture."

You then defined american culture as freedom, individuality and sugar cookies.

its the title of the article, its not my title

but yeah i did define american culture that way but i didnt say immigration discourages free will

 

[Brown_Pride]

its the title of the article, its not my title

but yeah i did define american culture that way but i didnt say immigration discourages free will

what was the point of you posting this article?

 

[theworldismine13]

what was the point of you posting this article?

the same reason i post any article, i posted it for the intellectual development of the hip hop nation

 

[Brown_Pride]

the same reason i post any article, i posted it for the intellectual development of the hip hop nation