Does Charles Barkley realize he was small?

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Draymond would probably lose defensively more often than not, but he would probably kill offensively. Bigs back then would give him the three point shot and then the coaches would probably have to adjust by either switching a SF on him or by being forced to play small. Remember, there's a reason the NBA is heading in this direction. International play found the flaws in American basketball and exploited them in the olympics...now we know 3 pointers aren't bad or only to be shot in certain situations
what would happen is bigs would let him have the 3 ball. but ask yourself this. draymond aint dirk so how many 3's do you think he's going to take and make? not enough to make someone come out to guard him. and on the other end, he would get murdered nightly. that destruction ont he box would tire him(no legs, no 3's), that destruction on the block would have dray in foul trouble(if you're not on the court due to foul trouble, you cant stretch the floor).

and i like dray a lot. give him all the props in the world. but truth is truth.
 

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Draymond has no problem dealing with power-based bigs. You're acting as if all those players didn't routinely put up numbers during their era. If he played in an era which turned a blind eye to more contact, he'd have more effectiveness on defense than he currently has. He has a 7"1 wingspan, elite hand activity, lateral quickness, post positioning/use of COG, shadowing of wings/guards, weakside help defense, isolation spots and great rim protection. His defensive abilities would translate over to any era.

Man look nobody stopped those players at their peaks from getting theirs - it isn't as if Draymond isn't capable of holding his own against them.

You sound like somebody that doesn't watch Warriors games. :heh:
DRAY would have a serious issue dealing with TRUE POWER forwards. They no longer exist in the nba. due to the rules and guys watching the nba change in highschool, college. big boys start getting their handles tight, they start shooting those jumpers early. so by the time they hit the leauge. they're a stretch 4 or 5. this is the wave of the future at least until the next charles barkley comes in the nba, or the next karl malone. who could faceup. but most of these guys are faceup PF's with little POWER in their forward position. they are thicker SF's if you will.

So dray is guarding slower less athletic Pick n Pop guys, that dont have that good of a post game to begin with. thats light work for dray.
 
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DRAY would have a serious issue dealing with TRUE POWER forwards. They no longer exist in the nba.
He wouldn't. But that's not to say he'd be able to stop them from getting theirs [typical game averages]. This is a tired platitudinous path I folk walk down too often on this board. Barkley and Malone aren't superhuman, just like every other player in the 90s, 80s, 70s or any other era you'd like to falsely identify "true' with. He has the IQ, COG, strength, lateral quickness, athleticism and motor to limit those type of players and make them work for their buckets. That doesn't mean he's going to completely shut them down, because NOBODY in the history of this league can shut down elite talent. With the laws of probability and the flow of the game - elite talent will always find ways to put up numbers.
due to the rules and guys watching the nba change in highschool, college. big boys start getting their handles tight, they start shooting those jumpers early. so by the time they hit the leauge. they're a stretch 4 or 5. this is the wave of the future at least until the next charles barkley comes in the nba, or the next karl malone. who could faceup. but most of these guys are faceup PF's with little POWER in their forward position. they are thicker SF's if you will.
I'm not arguing against this - because it's partly true. However, don't make the mistake that Draymond isn't battling in the post or providing rim protection -

1st in defending isolation attempts (20 more than the second most player) - holding players to 29.7% shooting and 0.6 points per possession
2nd in defending post-up attempts - (Okafor is 1st with 12 more) - holding players to 33.3% shooting and 0.6 points per possession

Those are #s from this season. For a defender to be not only at the top of both those categories (which is remarkable enough), but to hold their matchups to those percentages is quite amazing.
So dray is guarding slower less athletic Pick n Pop guys, that dont have that good of a post game to begin with. thats light work for dray.
He's not JUST guarding slower, less athletic PnP players - he guards EVERY type of player, quite literally. From 1-5. From the finesse to the down-on-the-block types. From the quick, athletic wings/guards to the crafty, momentum-laden big men. He's out there hedging on the perimeter, picking up guards, chasing guards/wings off the 3-pt line, navigating through picks to pick up players, shadowing smaller, faster players in ISO situations, forcing wings into tough spots on the floor, providing help defense, protecting the rim, pushing players out of post position, stopping players from backing him down on the post.

If he was a one-dimensional defender that could only guard the likes of Bargnani - you'd have a point. But he does far more than that. He's the closest thing we've had to what Rodman was in the late 80s/early 90s, and IMO he's even a better defender than Rodman was at his peak.

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what would happen is bigs would let him have the 3 ball. but ask yourself this. draymond aint dirk so how many 3's do you think he's going to take and make? not enough to make someone come out to guard him. and on the other end, he would get murdered nightly. that destruction ont he box would tire him(no legs, no 3's), that destruction on the block would have dray in foul trouble(if you're not on the court due to foul trouble, you cant stretch the floor).

and i like dray a lot. give him all the props in the world. but truth is truth.
He's shooting close to 40% from 3 this year so I'm not sure just letting him shoot is sound defensive strategy. Also, help defense can take away some of the defensive load off Dray. Like I said there's a reason the league is moving away from post-dominant play. Jahlil is gonna prove that with his career
 

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He's shooting close to 40% from 3 this year so I'm not sure just letting him shoot is sound defensive strategy. Also, help defense can take away some of the defensive load off Dray. Like I said there's a reason the league is moving away from post-dominant play. Jahlil is gonna prove that with his career
sure it is. go ahead and chuck bruh. i dare draymon to drop 60 on us repeatedly. not going to happen. and again, dray will be getting punished on the other end. thats not happeing in todays nba. he woudl be in foul trouble. and tired. two things that could severly hamper his shot
 

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sure it is. go ahead and chuck bruh. i dare draymon to drop 60 on us repeatedly. not going to happen. and again, dray will be getting punished on the other end. thats not happeing in todays nba. he woudl be in foul trouble. and tired. two things that could severly hamper his shot
no one is dropping 60 in these hypothetical matchups. Also I'm realizing that you're referring to centers moreso in this particular argument, while I'm referring more to power forwards. shyt Barkley and Rodman are considered top power forwards all time and them nikkas was 6'6
 
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