cleanface coney
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the crazy part is alot of these older black people know they fukked up with this generation and still continue to complain about the current situation
Do Black Intellectuals Need to Talk About Race?
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we moreso need to discuss the impact "race" has had on us historically, but even that should be a short conversation. the bulk of the conversation should be about how to progress as a collective in a highly racialized society.
we just have to remember the idea of race is 100% a social construct, so therefore we have full control over its power and usage.
we just have to remember the idea of race is 100% a social construct, so therefore we have full control over its power and usage.
Mr. Somebody
Friend Of A Friend
Demonic interview and WWE promo from T.I there friend.
It didnt seem real to me but i dont know T.I. People who are upset dont use that many big words.
what is the threshold of "a certain amount of financial success"
please name 5 ppl that fit this description....that aren't in entertainment
I have books by basically all these guys... and women. They both speak on race and the women speak on women issues because that's what affects them as women. Any race of women, more than likely speaks about women related issues.This might rub y'all the wrong way, but why is it that Black intellectuals need to talk about race or "stay in their community"? That's like saying that women should all talk about "women issues" or feminism...do Indian or other Asian intellectuals talk about race? (honest question). And what's this obsession with "community" though? It's cool if someone wants to give back and all of that, but why would someone who has managed to get out of a tough situation want to go back/stay in the same predicament? I know the situation in the US is different but around here as soon as dudes manage to get out the banlieues you can be damn sure they're staying as far away as they can from them. People move up, but black people (same in Africa) love to try to keep them down on some "oh now he doesn't care about us" or "oh now he speaks like an educated guy".
Intellectuals as a whole normally speak on the social landscape. Unless their only focus is mental health, they speak on social issues affecting Americans. Because race has been a pain in Americas history and because it's is still relevant to our current situations and institutions it makes sense for self proclaimed intellectuals to speak about it. Race, Crime, politics, etc are all within the scope of whats normal for an intellectual person to discuss. Black people and race has always been the elephant in Americas room- due to the lack of real discussion the discussion will probably continue . Ntm, it's normal to discuss the most depressed communities and situations within your nation.
People focus on community because certain communities Stand Out as being one of the few that has members 'make it' and not give back. If blacks weren't unusual in this and if blacks were automatic recipients of all of America's benefits, then we wouldn't need to speak about helping out ur people.
i got a funny feeling it was a little bit of both. he was T.I. the rapper. and TIP the person all in one on that interview. what he was saying IN GENERAL applies to a lot of people that finally get something attempt to reach back to pull up others and they usually get their hand bit off. makes no sense.
Mr. Somebody
Friend Of A Friend
Well alot of people dont want to take the hand of someone who makes demonic trash when they reach back. What are you pulling me into?
T.I had a personality split at some point in his career and sadly both his personalities are demonic.
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
I understand what you're saying, it's just that honestly I'm tired of hearing black (and mixed) people complaining about those who make it not talking about "black" issues, it's just that I feel that not every single black intellectual/entrepreneur/public figure should be some kind of spokeperson for others. If they want to adress those issues, great and more power to them for doing it. But I'm not really comfortable with holding it against them if they don't.
It's like every black person who makes it or is an intellectual should be some kind of leader too, I don't really understand this need for a leading figure. Intellectuals don't HAVE to talk about all the issues at hand, they all have particular areas of expertise, some might include race, some might not.
And about those not giving back to the community, I know some don't do it back in Africa because they know that too many jealous mfers will ask for one, then two, then twenty, or will just try for ways to f*ck you up one way or another. This may or may not happen in other communities/continents, but I don't know so I won't compare. I don't know if it's the same in the US, but then it's as much "the community's" fault that the token "intellectual" or guy/women who made it doesn't want to give back. Hell it's not because he comes out of this or that community that he was comfortable in it or feels that he "owes" something to it.
But I understand I have an outside point of view, so my experience might just lead to different opinions.
Well alot of people dont want to take the hand of someone who makes demonic trash when they reach back. What are you pulling me into?
now you may have a point. lol
Mr. Somebody
Friend Of A Friend
thing about "black intellectuals"
or any other blacks in so called high society, is that they have yokes on them
they are upholding positions in other people's shyt. so they wont,and ultimately CANT say or do certain shyt and maintain their position.they can only operate and think within the parameters of what their surroundings approve of. they do what they feel and do what they like,while you do what THEY feel and do what THEY like. ..and we tell our kids thats equal..with that said, they arent leaders...how u a leader, and ur not even leading urself?
and all that can and often does lead to blacks of that caliber disassociating w/ regular black folks
until we can clear that chasm, our future will be more of the same. theres no excuse for blacks of all spectrums not to be able to work together and make things happen regardless of cultural & philosophical differences.
shyt,white people do it these so call "liberals" black folks love to invest so concern and attention into work w/ them conservatives at every level....openly too. They have their differences and rifts, and even had one of the worst wars known to man, but they still operate w/ each other w/ a synergy that keeps the white world (not jus america) running at least relatively smoothly. yall hoot and holler about a "victory" against conservatives, but all points of the political spectrum are at the dinner table delegating w/ each other in a diplomatic manner, and ur black ass is under the porch. GET REAL
theres no excuse for blacks to get to a certain position and feel like they are "something else"....everyone else can and does work together as different sides of the same coin. until we get BACK to that (we had it before) nothing more but more of the same
or any other blacks in so called high society, is that they have yokes on them
they are upholding positions in other people's shyt. so they wont,and ultimately CANT say or do certain shyt and maintain their position.they can only operate and think within the parameters of what their surroundings approve of. they do what they feel and do what they like,while you do what THEY feel and do what THEY like. ..and we tell our kids thats equal..with that said, they arent leaders...how u a leader, and ur not even leading urself?
and all that can and often does lead to blacks of that caliber disassociating w/ regular black folks
until we can clear that chasm, our future will be more of the same. theres no excuse for blacks of all spectrums not to be able to work together and make things happen regardless of cultural & philosophical differences.
shyt,white people do it these so call "liberals" black folks love to invest so concern and attention into work w/ them conservatives at every level....openly too. They have their differences and rifts, and even had one of the worst wars known to man, but they still operate w/ each other w/ a synergy that keeps the white world (not jus america) running at least relatively smoothly. yall hoot and holler about a "victory" against conservatives, but all points of the political spectrum are at the dinner table delegating w/ each other in a diplomatic manner, and ur black ass is under the porch. GET REAL
theres no excuse for blacks to get to a certain position and feel like they are "something else"....everyone else can and does work together as different sides of the same coin. until we get BACK to that (we had it before) nothing more but more of the same
I always have a point.
My points go over your head,, friend.
if it went over my head, i would have never said "you have a point" i would not have even KNOWN that you had a point. remember that...friend.
ogc163
Superstar
Randall Kennedy made a similiar point in an eloquent fashion in "Sellout" Scroll down to page 192Sellout: The Politics of Racial Betrayal - Randall Kennedy - Google Books
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
Sellout: The Politics of Racial Betrayal - Randall Kennedy - Google Books
"Scroll down" how? book sounds interesting
ogc163
Superstar
"Scroll down" how? book sounds interesting
Yeah the book is amazing,I don't always agree with Kennedy but he is someone whose opinion I have great deal of respect for. You can jump to the page or just put in Charles Hamilton in the search function to get to the page.