Mr Uncle Leroy
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DJango: Unchained...kkkoonery?
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this is what i been saying in the other Django topics on the board. Its not about QT or white people being ok with saying ******. Its about the fact that we don't create our own media, and when we do its usually preachy, cheesy or total c00n stuff.
I saw Django...i enjoyed it very much...i thought as a film it was great, the slavery aspect is nearly a plot point, a vehicle for the story...NOT a crux of the narrative. This is not a SLAVE movie. I think that's an issue as well, every film with SLAVES IN IT doesn't have to be a SLAVE movie. Every film with Asians in it doesn't have to be a Kung-Fu movie. That's the point, even still the slavery aspects were handled in strangely tasteful way and it made really white folks look way worse than make light of slavery.
With that said, i'm against passing judgement on ANY film until you see it. So because QT makes a movie with slaves in it, but might ALSO have a funny in there he is making fun of slavery?
i think thats a juvenile stance. People can exist on different planes of thought. So while i am black, am VERY aware of the atrocities of slavery and the continued suffering of my people, i'm also aware that i live a much better life now because of that struggle, i realize that i'll never be a slave, so slavery isn't something i look at with FEAR like most of us do. I feel my merits out weight my skin, and so far in my life i have been proven right.
Its not that racism doesn't exist or that we should forget about slavery....its about finding strength in the triumph over it and finding what is the next phase for our communities.
Yall act like white people aren't appalled or shocked by slavery..
Brown_Pride
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so much so that many of them don't like to rightly recognize it.
That's the way ugly parts of your past are though. I don't like talking about horrible shyt in my past a whole lot.
The thing is, it's not even "our past" anymore. No one alive today owned slaves... It's 2012, we're completely different human beings, Just because a bunch of a$$holes did some really fukked up shyt in the past and had the same skin color I do, doesn't mean its "my past". Many white people tried to help free slaves as well, Why can't those people who tried to help be my past?so much so that many of them don't like to rightly recognize it.
That's the way ugly parts of your past are though. I don't like talking about horrible shyt in my past a whole lot.
I know that's not exactly what you were implying, but you see my point.
Brown_Pride
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Yeah i more than see your point. In that "defending black GOP sell out tomish fools" thread i made the comment that i think the boat may have sailed on the discussion of slavery (which is sad). 1 more generation and slavery will be a historical issue completely. It'd be like an american the actions of the british government prior to 1776 as reason for anything.
The battle for 40 acres and a mule has been lost to time.
To be honest, I think the new civil rights fight has to do with the drug war, privatized prisons and the insane amounts of folks locked up for non-violent drug offenses (disproportionately black folks).
The sad thing is, it's clouded by the fact that it is prison and most people believe you had to have done something horrible to be in prison.
Brown_Pride
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exactly. The paradigm has shifted and people need to get on board and do so quickly or, like slavery, these topics will be historic blotches rather than turning points in american history.
exactly, it's bad enough I have to deal with the actions of my parents, let alone 3-4 generations ago. if my great-grandfather was a racist piece of shyt, and I'm somehow 'disrespecting' him by not being like that, then fukk that dude
breh, im embarrassed of stuff we black people do TODAY. and i dont want it to be MY history. I see your point but its kinda fuzzy. I wholly understand the point...its just that the psychological effects were totally different for whites and blacks down the line.
I'm glad there are white folks like you out there though...who are like "wtf slavery was fukkED UP!" and can MEAN it.
However the fuzzyness comes in your last sentence, as much as we wished slavery wasn't our history, as much as we don't want CRACK or black on black crime it IS....the effects translate DIRECTLY down to us and its fukked up and not all of us can see beyond those effects and many of us can't help that fact.
Example: In the black community being a great student, speaking properly or dressing a certain way is attached to "whiteness". While ignorance, belligerence, and ineptitude are well welcomed jokes i.e. world star. To say you acting white is saying "you lame, you a house ******, a sell out, a uncle tom, a ENEMY". That is a direct effect from slavery.
I see what you mean, but i don't WANT white people to detach from slavery, its a part of the cultural narrative of America. We want you to "understand" as best you can. Don't patronize it and some times come out and say "ayo fukk SLAVERY, IT WAS fukkED UP". Most whites won't even SAY the word slavery, let alone admit its atrocities. I don't want you to say "its not my past" and throw rose-colored glasses on it. Its EVERY American's past. Share that past with us.
This is why i can respect QT for even making the film, he made it and touched on it because its a part of the American narrative. He, unlike many white filmmakers touched a taboo subject and was unafraid to still be creative with it.
I'm still not gonna fukking cry because a slave joke was made or whatever
. nikkas need to stop that really...we'll never be slaves again, stop acting like a wounded 12 year old. "HE....HEHEHE MADE A SLAVE JOKE!"
Fillerguy
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Of course you guys are, it makes you uncomfortable when Blacks bring it up and complain. Yall rather sweep it up the rug with "get over it", "move on", "stop being so sensitive" or some other variation of "lets ignore it for harmony's sake".
you're just cornering us into a lose/lose situation. damned if you feel comfortable, and damned if you feel uncomfortable
To be fair they're not the only ones to do that. In Japan, World War II is pretty much ignored not even taught in schools and there's denial from the Japanese side that atrocities like the Rape of Nanking didn't really happen or they just ignore it and are like
when the Chinese bring it up.It's the instinct for everybody. Nobody wants to feel guilty or judged, so they sweep it under the rug or try to sugar coat it. A sad cycle.
Fillerguy
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And Black people aren't? If we talk about our issues with historical racism, we get the Spike Lee treatment. If we flatout ignore it, America trivializes it. And I'm saying QT is doing or that he's racist. Taking everything into account:
- QT's repeated random unnecessary jabs at Blacks in his films
- the myriad of tasteless ****** jokes in Django
- White America's lack of respect when it comes to this subject manner
- Dark humor in scene when slaves are being torn to pieces
- QT reinforcing Anti-abolitionist beliefs (freed slaves are dangerous); scary black man trope
- The c00n and Slave actors
I dont get why I should stfu...why this film shouldn't bother me....why I should suck off QT cause a Black man kills a bunch of Whites.
Im ranting though so dont pay me too much attention.
To be fair they're not the only ones to do that. In Japan, World War II is pretty much ignored not even taught in schools and there's denial from the Japanese side that atrocities like the Rape of Nanking didn't really happen or they just ignore it and are like
It's the instinct for everybody. Nobody wants to feel guilty or judged, so they sweep it under the rug or try to sugar coat it. A sad cycle.
zee germans aren't much better with the nazi shyt