Discussing Ring Magazine’s Questionable P4P List

[thewiseman]

The answer is obviously Bum Crawfish who fights nobody

 

[Black_Jesus]

I believe Spence has firmly established himself as the most dominant 147lb fighter, presently. His victories have consistently been impressive, and even in the close fight against Porter, he scored the decisive knock down to once again separate himself from his foes.

He beat up on Danny unlike anyone else.
Fought Porter's fight, and won decisively, at least in my mind anyways.
Outboxes and then proceeds to bully Mikey Garcia.
Goes to England and knocks out the hometown fighter Brook to get his first world title.

Spence is, in my eyes, one of the toughest opponents to take on in boxing today. He has had enough dominant performances for me to feel comfortably about putting him over Taylor or Teo at this point.

He's closer to being in his prime, when compared to Teo.

His prime looks to have a slightly higher ceiling than Taylor at the moment.

P4P is always changing, this doesn't mean I can't eventually have either Taylor or Teo above Spence, but as of today, I would absolutely put Spence above them.

Oh wow.. I dont see it that way at all.. Knocking down Porter puts him in the company with Adrian Broner and Ugas(kd they tried to call a slip) I wouldn't say that separates him much from his peers.. definitely not enough to be placed as high on p4p lists as he is.....Danny been beat up a few times by lesser opponents like Herrera, Peterson.. Spence vs Brook win in England was impressive until you realize he just beat a guy who had just been stopped, injured, and was coming down from middleweight.. Mikey was a damn lightweight.. I do respect your opinion though., I just see Spence differently

 

[FreedMind]

Oh wow.. I dont see it that way at all.. Knocking down Porter puts him in the company with Adrian Broner and Ugas(kd they tried to call a slip) I wouldn't say that separates him much from his peers.. definitely not enough to be placed as high on p4p lists as he is.....Danny been beat up a few times by lesser opponents like Herrera, Peterson.. Spence vs Brook win in England was impressive until you realize he just beat a guy who had just been stopped, injured, and was coming down from middleweight.. Mikey was a damn lightweight.. I do respect your opinion though., I just see Spence differently

Well, I'm curious about how exactly you see Spence, and would you have Taylor and Teo over him at this time? Why?

Like for me, I feel there's a strong distinction between knocking down your opponent and winning a war of attrition, versus getting a flash knock down in a fight where you lost 11 rounds.

I think it's impressive to beat a legitimate P4P fighter so thoroughly that he unanimously falls off everyone's P4P list.

I think it's impressive to come back from a life and career threatening accident, to outclass and dominate a top welterweight.

Spence has continually turned in strong performances, pretty much the biggest knock on him is having a close phone booth fight with an excellent inside fighter.

 

[Black_Jesus]

Well, I'm curious about how exactly you see Spence, and would you have Taylor and Teo over him at this time? Why?

Like for me, I feel there's a strong distinction between knocking down your opponent and winning a war of attrition, versus getting a flash knock down in a fight where you lost 11 rounds.

I think it's impressive to beat a legitimate P4P fighter so thoroughly that he unanimously falls off everyone's P4P list.

I think it's impressive to come back from a life and career threatening accident, to outclass and dominate a top welterweight.

Spence has continually turned in strong performances, pretty much the biggest knock on him is having a close phone booth fight with an excellent inside fighter.

Beating a p4p fighter is impressive if that opponent is in your weight class.. Again Mikey was a lightweight

I hear you on the knockdowns but Porter glove barely touched the ground and he was back in Spence grill immediately.. like I said I see where you coming from but I'm just not impressed.. Spence not even in my top 5 p4p right now...

Now as far as his win over Danny.. It depends on how you view Danny.. To me Danny isn't a top 5 welterweight.. And him being a top 10 right now is debatable.. Danny hasn't been impressive since he left 140.. His best win at 147 is still Paulie Malignaggi.. So like I said however you rate that win for Spence depends on how you view Danny....